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The price of apples should be increased for this reason:D0rc said:...What are you talking about?Rezonl said:So were nerfing the price of apples because of the destruction of trees.....D0rc said:The point is, with a price raise like that, it will become much, much worse. It's already a problem, yes, but ten times worse if the price raises.Rezonl said:Builders already do this, we get on average like 50 new users every 2 hours. Can't stop the from destroy trees, now can we?D0rc said:Still doesn't really matter though, there is, and always will be people who go around cutting down trees that aren't in a farm and destroying the wild.Rezonl said:Uh, a controlled tree farm can result in more organized patterns, less walking from tree to tree. They can also be designed to allow only certain height trees, resulting in maximum tree destruction and less walking around, boosting yourself up to get the leaf decay.D0rc said:How does making a farm make you more money...?Rezonl said:D0rc said:The thing is, if trees are worth just as much as pumpkins/melons, then the world would start becoming bare of trees.... I can see people running around the wild cutting down every tree they see, or even worse, just the leaves and leaving the logs...asphyxiatorslove said:I think some testing with the trees needs to be done. Try to figure out a price that would put tree farms on par, or well, as close as possible to pumpkins and what not.Click to expand...
This would make the wild bare of trees, as if this wasn't a problem already. I know people can make farms, but nobody will make a farm if they can make just as much without one.
If it's on par with pumpkins/melons, then the same thing will happen that happened with pumpkins; Everyone will go to tree farming, and abandon everything else. Next thing you know, we get a bunch of builders saying "OMG where are all the TREES?!?!?"...
It would be too easy. It doesn't cost money to set up, you go the wild, and BAM! Trees. If things go how I think they would, then our world would have no trees in no time.
And no, people just going around replanting wouldn't help. Builders would still just cut them down and not replant. In fact, that brings another point. All other farmers would be upset, because some random builder can make as much money as them from something they can do off the bat with no preparing or paying large sums of money... Those farmers worked hard, they don't want to see a builder can make as much money with less effort.
Apple prices could go up a bit, but please don't make it on par with pumpkins/melons/any other method. I can tell it wouldn't end well.Click to expand...
Because running around in the wild harvesting trees vs creating a controlled tree farm is smart, right?
This isn't an issue. For someone to realize the profits in this business, they would create a time-efficient tree farm.
Not to mention, we have a /kit starter. Which gives them logs/sticks/coal.Click to expand...
And also, what does the starter kit have to do with this? lol
asphyxiatorslove said:Because running around in the wild harvesting trees vs creating a controlled tree farm is smart, right?
This isn't an issue. For someone to realize the profits in this business, they would create a time-efficient tree farm.Click to expand...
builders and residents would go around cutting as many trees down as possible to make an easy cash flow. Residents do not always have the option to make a time efficient farm, being that they do not own a town most of the time.Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand...
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You're still not going to make a living off of cutting trees, can you guys see what i'm getting at? 2$ to hit a pumpkin, with an axe, which takes 1 second. Now, here we have a 1/200 chance of getting an apple from a tree, which grow about 10-20 leaves. Now, that means that every tree will yield a 1% chance of dropping an apple. (If the tree has 20 leaves)
Cmon now, can someone really make a living/profit off of harvesting trees? I would like to see more initiative, since we do have mcmmo, to have people do woodcutting as another revenue. With the addition of apples, there is more and more incentive to get into this business. Point is, I'd like to see more options to make money.
I would like 'all of you' to stop redirecting the points I am making. So what if we have easier access to diamond tools and we have mcmmo, why don't we look at it in another way? Right now, apple farming/woodcutting isn't even CLOSE to mining/farming, I'd like to see this get a price bump, to add another way to earn money on the server. It would provide a new incentive to train woodcutting skill, and encourage tree farms, which I haven't seen many of on the server.
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Rezon, I don't think you understand. To start, 20/200 = 10%, lol, your math is way off. Second, and more important here. Trees should never give the same amount of money, or anywhere near, really, to pumpkins/melons/wheat/etc... Ever It would be unbalanced. You are looking at one point, and not all of them. It's not just about a diverse economy here, of course, it's nice to have that, but tree farming being as profitable as other methods is bad...Rezonl said:The price of apples should be increased for this reason:
You're still not going to make a living off of cutting trees, can you guys see what i'm getting at? 2$ to hit a pumpkin, with an axe, which takes 1 second. Now, here we have a 1/200 chance of getting an apple from a tree, which grow about 10-20 leaves. Now, that means that every tree will yield a 1% chance of dropping an apple. (If the tree has 20 leaves)
Cmon now, can someone really make a living/profit off of harvesting trees? I would like to see more initiative, since we do have mcmmo, to have people do woodcutting as another revenue. With the addition of apples, there is more and more incentive to get into this business. Point is, I'd like to see more options to make money.
I would like 'all of you' to stop redirecting the points I am making. So what if we have easier access to diamond tools and we have mcmmo, why don't we look at it in another way? Right now, apple farming/woodcutting isn't even CLOSE to mining/farming, I'd like to see this get a price bump, to add another way to earn money on the server. It would provide a new incentive to train woodcutting skill, and encourage tree farms, which I haven't seen many of on the server.
Why don't we have a more diverse economy? Its not just about people destroy trees, we ALREADY DO THAT.Click to expand...
Think of it this way. Someone spends 100k+ on their pumpkin farm, to protect it, materials, possibly paying people to build it for him, and some random builder guy just goes to the wild with a diamond axe and makes as much money. Answer me this, is this fair, and why is it fair? Then we'll talk. -
I'm not saying that apples should be brought up to par as melons/pumpkins/wheat/reed. They should be brought up so there is some incentive to do so. Excavation, and woodcutting are 2 strands of McMMO people barely use. And its 1/200 chance a leaf will drop an apple....D0rc said:Rezon, I don't think you understand. To start, 20/200 = 10%, lol, your math is way off. Second, and more important here. Trees should never give the same amount of money, or anywhere near, really, to pumpkins/melons/wheat/etc... Ever It would be unbalanced. You are looking at one point, and not all of them. It's not just about a diverse economy here, of course, it's nice to have that, but tree farming being as profitable as other methods is bad...Rezonl said:The price of apples should be increased for this reason:
You're still not going to make a living off of cutting trees, can you guys see what i'm getting at? 2$ to hit a pumpkin, with an axe, which takes 1 second. Now, here we have a 1/200 chance of getting an apple from a tree, which grow about 10-20 leaves. Now, that means that every tree will yield a 1% chance of dropping an apple. (If the tree has 20 leaves)
Cmon now, can someone really make a living/profit off of harvesting trees? I would like to see more initiative, since we do have mcmmo, to have people do woodcutting as another revenue. With the addition of apples, there is more and more incentive to get into this business. Point is, I'd like to see more options to make money.
I would like 'all of you' to stop redirecting the points I am making. So what if we have easier access to diamond tools and we have mcmmo, why don't we look at it in another way? Right now, apple farming/woodcutting isn't even CLOSE to mining/farming, I'd like to see this get a price bump, to add another way to earn money on the server. It would provide a new incentive to train woodcutting skill, and encourage tree farms, which I haven't seen many of on the server.
Why don't we have a more diverse economy? Its not just about people destroy trees, we ALREADY DO THAT.Click to expand...
Think of it this way. Someone spends 100k+ on their pumpkin farm, to protect it, materials, possibly paying people to build it for him, and some random builder guy just goes to the wild with a diamond axe and makes as much money. Answer me this, is this fair, and why is it fair? Then we'll talk.Click to expand...
And secondly, I know first hand the cost of a pumpkin farm and its benefits. However, can everyone do this? No, not everyone has the ability to create the most money out of these farms, and doesn't have the money base to do so nor the time/effort. Reward people who play often, and people who play even half my time can still make some decent money tree farming and have fun doing it. The reason why I don't pumpkin farm 24/7 is because it is boring, why don't we allow tree farming to make at least 50-75% profit compared to pumpkins? Right now a half % chance of an apple dropping is way to low for it to be priced @ 2$.
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Just because there is a 1/200 chance of dropping a Red Apple, that is not the guaranteed result. While you can receive NO apples from a tree, i have seen ten apples drop from ONE normal tree before. In my opinion, Raise the price a bit, but not alot. Perhaps 3-5 Dollars/piece.
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welikeike22 said:Just because there is a 1/200 chance of dropping a Red Apple, that is not the guaranteed result. While you can receive NO apples from a tree, i have seen ten apples drop from ONE normal tree before. In my opinion, Raise the price a bit, but not alot. Perhaps 3-5 Dollars/piece.Click to expand...
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I can agree, the price needs raised... I already said so. However, being even half as worth it as pumpkins is going really far. It needs raised, but only by a few dollars each. ($5-10 an apple, no more than that. $15-20 a golden apple.)Rezonl said:I'm not saying that apples should be brought up to par as melons/pumpkins/wheat/reed. They should be brought up so there is some incentive to do so. Excavation, and woodcutting are 2 strands of McMMO people barely use. And its 1/200 chance a leaf will drop an apple....D0rc said:Rezon, I don't think you understand. To start, 20/200 = 10%, lol, your math is way off. Second, and more important here. Trees should never give the same amount of money, or anywhere near, really, to pumpkins/melons/wheat/etc... Ever It would be unbalanced. You are looking at one point, and not all of them. It's not just about a diverse economy here, of course, it's nice to have that, but tree farming being as profitable as other methods is bad...Rezonl said:The price of apples should be increased for this reason:
You're still not going to make a living off of cutting trees, can you guys see what i'm getting at? 2$ to hit a pumpkin, with an axe, which takes 1 second. Now, here we have a 1/200 chance of getting an apple from a tree, which grow about 10-20 leaves. Now, that means that every tree will yield a 1% chance of dropping an apple. (If the tree has 20 leaves)
Cmon now, can someone really make a living/profit off of harvesting trees? I would like to see more initiative, since we do have mcmmo, to have people do woodcutting as another revenue. With the addition of apples, there is more and more incentive to get into this business. Point is, I'd like to see more options to make money.
I would like 'all of you' to stop redirecting the points I am making. So what if we have easier access to diamond tools and we have mcmmo, why don't we look at it in another way? Right now, apple farming/woodcutting isn't even CLOSE to mining/farming, I'd like to see this get a price bump, to add another way to earn money on the server. It would provide a new incentive to train woodcutting skill, and encourage tree farms, which I haven't seen many of on the server.
Why don't we have a more diverse economy? Its not just about people destroy trees, we ALREADY DO THAT.Click to expand...
Think of it this way. Someone spends 100k+ on their pumpkin farm, to protect it, materials, possibly paying people to build it for him, and some random builder guy just goes to the wild with a diamond axe and makes as much money. Answer me this, is this fair, and why is it fair? Then we'll talk.Click to expand...
And secondly, I know first hand the cost of a pumpkin farm and its benefits. However, can everyone do this? No, not everyone has the ability to create the most money out of these farms, and doesn't have the money base to do so nor the time/effort. Reward people who play often, and people who play even half my time can still make some decent money tree farming and have fun doing it. The reason why I don't pumpkin farm 24/7 is because it is boring, why don't we allow tree farming to make at least 50-75% profit compared to pumpkins? Right now a half % chance of an apple dropping is way to low for it to be priced @ 2$.
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Anyway, everyone knows that woodcutting levels up slower than most other methods, so why not have Andrew just make it easier to level? Raising the price of apples isn't the only way, and everyone can agree with making woodcutting easier, or at least more people can.
And if people want to make money on the spot, they can go mining, or rent out a farm, or do jobs, or get a loan, there doesn't need to be a farming way to do it, if it causes issues, it's better that it doesn't happen. Since we have other ways to make money quickly without taking time to, for example, set up a farm. -
I agree the price on plain apples should be increased, cutting wood is currently an awful way to make money and I have cut down alot of trees here so far, very small rewards. Also some people tend to forget for new people like myself, our wood cutting skill is low and slow to rise, it takes me alot more time to cut down ten trees then 3 minutes if I am hacking at leaves. Also new to newish players are not getting diamond tools or diamond anything. I use stone tools. If you do some mining and want to splurge, make some iron tools. Currently though you would make triple the money simply selling the iron used to make an axe as you would from the wood and precious few apples that drop.
I would suggest making the value of an apple between 5 and 10 dollars at least, even then cutting trees is not going to make anyone rich, but you might at least make enough to get you on your feet a small amount as new to somewhat new player.
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