In Game Name: BlazeInfiniteHave you changed your Minecraft username since being banned? If so, what is your previous name: No, I have not.Which of ECC's services are you banned on: -Main Server -LobbyReason of Ban: -Loan Scamming (Matrix_rep, Expipiplusone) -Bypassing a ban -Lying to staff about altsRule Violated: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clause 2 - Scamming A general definition of a scam in the context of EcoCityCraft is a transaction in which a user pays for goods or services from another user, and does not receive those goods/services in the agreed upon timeframe. Failing to uphold your end of the deal is scamming, and is punishable by a ban. Your continuance on the server may rely on you following through with your end of the deal, or refunding what you scammed, solely at the staff’s discretion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clause 2 - Multiple Accounts Multiple accounts used by different people on the same internet connection/IP are allowed. An individual person playing on multiple accounts is allowed so long as no financial benefits arise from doing so, and no account belonging to that player is banned. There must be absolutely no financial interaction between multiple accounts that you own.This includes but is not limited to: Adding alt accounts as owners/members of regions you own. Direct or indirect transactions (via /pay, trade signs, etc). If any account owned by a player is banned, all the other accounts owned by that player will not be able to appeal until the account banned first has successfully appealed. Exceptions may be made to this in certain scenarios such as inappropriate username bans. If there are multiple accounts on the same internet connection/IP, either used by you or others, you must contact a member of staff immediately to inform them. Users may be questioned for being on the same internet connection, or, in cases of suspicious activity and bans, immediately banned regardless of the reason for the same connection, to be appealed with an explanation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Please explain in your own words what the rule(s) means: The first rule (Clause 2 - Scamming) means that scamming is not allowed and whatever deal you make, you must uphold your end of it. The second rule, (Clause 2 - Multiple Accounts) means that using an alternate account to bypass a ban is not allowed and using one for financial gain is forbidden.Reason you feel you think you should be un-banned: I feel that I should be unbanned because while I did unintentionally scam the 2 users above, I did not bypass my ban. I truly indeed gave my alt to my sister for her to use and experience ecc through about 2 days ago (after I was banned) and she used it to play other servers before even coming to join this server. However, the only thing i really did was give her tips and advise on how to make money and I told her who I owed and how much. She was willing to help me pay most of my debts back since I was letting her have my account. I will work to repay the 2 users listed above back for the loans they've given me or etc. I apologize for breaching the trust of these 2 users and I hope one day in the future I can fully regain their trust once again. Finally, to avoid future confusion, I will be reclaiming my sister's account and will get her a brand new minecraft account some time in the future. I apologize for working around the rules to unfairly decrease my debt. Now that I know it is wrong I apologize and will not do this again. Thanks for taking time to read my ban appeal. ~ BlazeInfinite
Well, honestly, giving my alt to my sister to use was my hope of lessening my debts until I got unbanned. and my sister successfully paid 75k towards Obblebobble's debt and like 20k towards Matrix's debt but now that she's banned, I honestly have no way of shrinking my debt apart from my brothers AceThunder and StormBoltX who are both rather inactive on the server. but to get to the point, I should've just been responsible and taken responsibility over my own debt and not given my alt to my sister to pay it with.
Look blaze, I want you to come back, but not sure if I really do after what you said to me. You told me I don't deserve to be paid back and all you want to do is pay all off your other debts and leave my debt and take another ban. The only reason I filed the complaint on you which lead to your ban, was because you broke our promise of not taking any more loans. I was afraid you would spiral out of control and keep taking loans to pay loans, which is what started to occur. If you are to be unbanned I would advise you not to take anymore loans, and if you promise me this I will lower the rate at which you need to pay me your debt to 125k per week. However, if I see you taking out more loans I will not hesitate to file a complaint and get you banned once again. For the mods the total debt he owes as of now is 2 million 15k. Around 30k was paid off by @BlazeInfinite_
I could agree to those terms. And I had no idea letting my sister use my account to help pay off my debt was against the rules.. I apologize.
I apologize for the post here, but I couldn't help but wonder how is it alternate accounting for economical gain? It was his sister who's paying off his debt, and his sister's account isn't his account. I don't see how it's in violation of any rules. .-.
I wish it wasn't violating any rules but the way Jamie put it makes sense. It was my account and it wasn't fair to hand it over to my sister in order to start paying off my debts. Especially since I was banned at the time.
Yes, but it was her choice to pay off your debts. If she didn't want to, she didn't have to. The account was hers, not yours, thus not alt accounting.
Thats why I have an issue with alt accounts. Technically I have one my kids play on, however I would never use it for my personal gain. Regardless of who uses the account, it is still a second account used for another's gain in this case. She may be his sister, but he has the potential to play the account as well under the same IP. Now I know what your thinking... well anyone can help pay down anothers debt and you would be correct, however if under the same IP, there is no way to know if its really one or the other... again this is why its made clear one account cannot benefit another in the rules since it really cant be regulated. Although from what ive seen in the past...it has been allowed by staff in certain circumstances which imo causes confusion.
I agree that's the problem with alternate accounts, but as I was saying, unless you can prove Blaze was on his sisters account paying the debt, I don't think it constitutes as alternate accounting for economical gain.
Still.. my point is you cant prove otherise. On an economy server that matters a lot. Or else we all could have awesome sisters who seem to be very anxious to help us out of debt. If you cant regulate something, it must be prevented from happening.
For example...this awesome sister could take out a 200k loan... transfer it to him and say bye bye to ecc... you cant prove the intention, but you can prevent it.
@BlazeInfinite I see that you want to return to the server. What you did to users on this server was not right at all. You took out a loan and did not pay them back and you did not do it once but more than that. I want you to understand that the users of ECC should not have to worry that if they decide to loan out there money that it will not be paid back . Look at it this way how would you feel if someone took your money and did not give it back? I do not think you would be to happy. First off I am giving you until June 10, 2016 4 months to pay your debt off. I want screenshots of all payments sent to me in a forum pm. Obblebobble - $905,000 Matrix_rep - $2,015,000 Expipiplusone - $450,000 Second your alt will not be unbanned until all your debt is payed That being said I am going to be giving you a issuing a 3 day temp ban so you can revisit the rules so as not to be here again. 3day temp ban issued