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Discussion in 'Economy & Market' started by isaul007, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. isaul007

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    Alright, so I've been seeing something happening which has disturbed me lately. Brand new Builders who have barely made their fist ECD are coming into my casino and betting. I'm absolutely sure that others have seen this as well in their casinos. Sure, I could take the 1-2k they have to bet, or I could sell them a plot for that same 1-2k. I've seen several new players quit from simply losing their ECD in a casino. When us dealers take money from these new players, we're cutting down the only small amount of growth they've made. We need all the builders we can get, in order to keep labor costs low. I just had a builder who lives in my town that kindly cleared the mountains on the edge away just to sell the sandstone. That's why builders are so valueable, folks. So my suggestion is not a strict rule; that would be impossible to enforce. I would love to see other casino owners make a pledge to never allow builders to lose their only money at their casinos. I'll be the first to take that pledge. Stop taking from the unaware, and instead instill in them values of conservation. I would hope that in the future, it will be frowned upon to persuade new players to bet their money away.

    Tl;dr: Stop taking money from Builders at casinos because it's hampering the vigour of the server.
     
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    #1 isaul007, Oct 30, 2017
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    I personally have only had 2 builders come into my casino out of tons of visitors, I’m pretty sure one of them doubled their money and left. I like what you’re doing and will also make this pledge, but it’s not really a huge issue from my point of view :l

    I don’t think builders will quit over 1.2k... but yeah, maybe casino hosts shouldn’t allow their resident fund of 15k to be on the line, because that could be discouraging.

    At the end of the day, it’s the player’s choice whether or not to gamble, and if they really want to, they will. Remember- lottery is also a thing if casinos aren’t.
     
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  3. isaul007

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    I agree, we will never be able to stop them from gambling. But hopefully we can help them find the wisdom to become resident like you said instead of gambling.
     
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    Bet limits maybe? idk
     
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    I dont see a problem -1 not the reason builders quit. Also if we restrict casinos for builders then we have to not let builders use lottery aswell.
     
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    What this smacks of is trying to get the server to regulate a market that should not be regulated. It is not my business who bets. What is is what colour comes out of the dispenser, and how much they have bet.
    I will not discriminate against Builders simply because you believe I should. They know there is a risk involved in gambling. If you can't afford to bet, don't.
    Besides, suggestions to form an organisation do not go in this forum.
    -1.
     
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    Nice idea, but...
    1. This would most likely not be added.
    2. People could abuse this (Not ranking up on purpose so they can keep this benefit)
    3. This would just ruin the point of a casino.
    Sorry, i'm gonna have to -1
     
  8. isaul007

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    As stated above, not a regulation since it couldn't be enforced. I'm not suggesting discrimination, but rather informing them of the consequences.
     
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    Good point, but I wasn't suggesting a black and white rule, rather a general consensus. I have no problem with Builders knowingly losing their money. I do, however, have a problem with the dealers persuading them into thinking that they will certainly make money. We must remember that many young people don't even know what casinos make money from.
     
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    Anyone knows that if you go into a casino and gamble, you understand that you can lose money. This is simple.
     
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    I don't think you should use the term 'anyone'. Now that @isaul007 has cleared it up that -
    I think this is okay. But, I don't think there can be an unspoken rule (unspoken rule because you said you don't mean a black and white rule) because it cant really be punishable if it is an unspoken rule.
    And I disagree that people should be obliged to inform them of the consequences because you really shouldn't start playing with a casino if you do not know the possible outcomes of it. However, I do agree with you that people shouldn't trick Builders into spending money with a 'certain win' kind of advertisement. But you also need to stop thinking of Builders as kids who don't know what a casino is. People here tend to think Builders don't know anything, and your original post is an example of that. I think Builders who are of a higher age should know how casinos make their money, and they most likely would have come across a casino advert irl themselves. I'm literally just rambling on here by this point, so let me dial it down and sum it up.

    I somewhat agree:
    That people should not make it out that casinos are a definite win. (However, I doubt this could be an enforced rule, and if it isn't an enforced rule, then what is the aim of this?)

    I disagree:
    OK, lemme start by saying what I think the 'rule' you want to be enforced is [based off of your original post and replies] - 'You must not manipulate your casino customers into thinking that they most definitely win at your casino, whether it be through advertisements or just common colloquial chat.'
    I disagree that this should be enforced, because its their responsibility for their own IQ. If casinos were something exclusive to ECC, like VMR or something, then I guess people could help by explaining and stuff. But casinos are a thing IRL and if people dont know that playing at a casino is gambling/ there is a risk of losing your money, then thats their own fault. If its a younger member of society (9-12 year olds) maybe just maybe we could inform them that there is a risk. But not all Builders are kids, so I dont think you can say that we should inform them of how a casino works.

    My vote still remains +1. Everything I've said here is what I understood from your original post and all of your replies, @isaul007 . If what I've understood is not the message you were aiming to put out, then sorry my bad, I might change my rating. I have to acknowledge how you're simply just trying to care for newer players, but I dont think this is the right step to doing that. :/
     
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    Totally agree with this.
     
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    We could make casinos only available to people who have been on the server for a certain amount of time, which would encourage builders to earn a substantial amount of money before they even consider gambling.
     
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    How would this be regulated? Besides, illegal gambling halls would be created. The only solution is to issue licenses, but then, gambling halls would be made.
    I stand by my -1.
     
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    Ehh, here’s where I stand: Teach them how to make money. Teach them 1.2k isn’t a lot - which it’s not.
     
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    agreed
     
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    When you have kit starter 1-2k could be a lot to them. And this guy is saying just inform the builders about it before you take their bets.. I don't see this in suggestions. Stop giving him hell for this post..
     
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    honestly kit start is trash. its nothing compared to other users, at least give them iron or diamond tool and some armor for god's sake
     
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