Not me.

I don't PVP and felt restricted from coming into the mining world. I only had the main world. Now that it isn't PVP, I feel much more comfortable not having to look behind me every 2 secs and can enjoy myself.

As far as builders. I think it is an excellent idea. It saves our main world from becoming a grief world that doesn't reset. By allowing them to grief the mining world, it doesn't harm anyone.

I am sorry that you don't like Minecraft without PVP. But you still have the PVP arenas, SG arenas, and the nether world. I am sure you can find a great place to take out your aggression.

 

This has been an ongoing debate. Although I agree that it was the right thing to do, it has had a major impact on the overall economy. Everything associated with mining/xp has dropped drastically. We all thought that the lwcs were the issue, but it clearly wasn't. It is too easy for lower ranks to obtain vast amounts of ores and xp, when in the past they were required to buy plots, build farms, and farm to rank up. Now they sell a set of xp, play lotto, and become tycoons overnight. So sad to see. I hate to say it, but ECC really doesn't pose the challenege that made it what it was over a year ago.

 

This explains everything that needs to be. Without the Mining World being open to all users, we haven't lost anything, just gained.

 

I personnly agree with ajp79 I haven't been on ECC for a loongg time and it's quite upsetting to see no more challenge in mining world.

 

Risky mining was the whole point of Mining world

I've lost my fair share of expensive tools to PvPers in the mining world, but that's the fun of it :|

 

Exactly.
Personally i stayed away of the mining world. Although it didn't benefit me, i thought this was a good thing, it kept the markets in check.

But the real problem is...the mining world only has 2 settings. Peaceful, or instant death.

No pvp = waaaaay too easy/effects markets in a bad way.
Pvp = waaaaay too hard/angry people.

If we could make the mining world difficult, yet not too difficult, we would appease the people that want to mine all day without fear of pvp, and the people that think this is having a horrible effect on the economy.

Unfortunately, we haven't found a way to do that yet.

 

I dont think that I just think that since builders were allowed to come its always emtey and there is not much of a point to mine in it.

 

More hard mobs need to spawn to at least give people a reason to be cautious. I'm not a huge fan of PvP (read: hunting) in mining worlds, but there at least needs to be mobs.

In two weeks I've killed roughly 3 mobs in total. :(

Honestly, I find building a huge farm as the way to make money completely ridiculous. I like being able to mine and explore to make money. Though the mining worlds are TORE UP always and useless for anything other than strip mining.

Not to mention the sniping of the lottery too, needs to be a 3 or 5 second reset when a ticket is purchased or a ticket purchase limit.

 

I disagree because as a Builder that was the only way for me to make $ other than working for super cheap. and it helped me raise $15k in 1 day

 

You can mine in main world... and earn a good 15k in 2-3 hours max. Money is not hard on this server as long as you are dedicated. Mining world is very little difference to main world mining-wise, no extra ores and main world there is no mobs. Mining world is not really any better for money as you can make a lot more mining then you can spending time at a spawner. I do not agree with pvp but I always thought it should be resident+.

 

If the main world gets mined like the mining worlds, I'll be leaving ECC. It's decimated. Resetting is what makes the difference, not PvP or mobs. If the Mining World never got reset, no one would ever do.

Make a PvP world. Random chests of loot or points or something cool/currency. A good 6000 x 6000 world for people to gear up and go at it.

Right now, all you "PvP" folks want nothing more than to prey on newbs or ungeared miners. Would you really go head to head against someone else in full armor and mcMMO Swords at 1000? Willing to risk all that gear on a fight you might lose? I'll bet a handful might, max.

 

Hello,
In my opinion, which you may take with a grain of salt if you wish, the mining world is in a decent place right now. Clearly some people are worried that builders are following or it makes things too easy on builders etc etc etc. Most people who feel this way are res+ which makes sense. To that I must point out something:

Anyone Res+ Is in a position where they can buy a town. Town are in the main world where builders used to be warped to. Now what happened when builders were encouraged, no, forced to mine the main world? We tore up the main world. We destroyed land meant for towns not for mining. I was a builder during this time and a Resident when the mining world changed. I'm a President now with 5 of my own towns.

I was originally angry that the perk I worked so hard for ie: the mining world was now open to everyone. However, then I came to realize that it saved the main world. It is helping out the older and the newer players.

Next part of my argument: I hate pvp and do not wish to be forced to deal with pvp. I would never mine if the mining world went back to being pvp. It is not fair to those of us who don't like to fight but still need an income. PVP made the mining world unpleasant and a stressful place. I actually had to actively try not to find a time where i could mine safely. IE: 3 am for me. I thoroughly disapprove of bringing pvp back to mining world. If you want PVP go to the nether, the pvp world, the private arenas, or the hunger games. We already have a ton of pvp zones. Please do not add any more.

Revanrose6

 

True, running around in the mining world as a resident and you run into a diamond plated death squad using radars or a flying SKscoccer, she killed me a few times, i'm lucky though that I never gave them anything of any value save for a few ores and lesser enchanted picks. I cannot say that I enjoyed it much, when I was armed to the teeth I could not find many people, when you wanted to mine you run into gangs of people who used radars to track you down and then team kill you while taunting you over what they have looted or then pm that you are a coward when you tp away from these brave heroes of justice. Some interesting experiences though to counter but not enough when held in balance against all the time spent being wary of everyone else out there.

I cannot say that I have been stalked by builders for long, that being said there are a number of ways to lose/discourage them short of killing them. One such one is to call a mod and say that you have a tail that you wish lost, we can arrange this if they are proving a nuisance.

Also as a mayor I no longer need to venture into the mining world, I can potentially live off the backs of my citizens who go in mine ore and then sell it to me for just above server prices, I then sell it on for grossly inflated prices. Life is good.

This is an economy server, the game changes then change with it try not to lament the past too much. Basically now you cannot prey on people who generally have no interest in fighting and now have to fight other people who will fight back.

 

I've seen some mentions as revanrose6 said that most of the people who said this are res+. Thing is a long time ago mining world would be Resident+ access only so you had to work in the main world for money to be able to mine. People would go into mining world knowing there was a risk to get that precious reward of diamond and emerald and iron payout. Sure people used radars and such back then but that was the risk you took. Now a days resident gives you a light green name, and a few more lwc's. Back then it gave you access to a whole new way to make money for people mining, or killing the people making money. Also back then was when exp was at an amazing price and demand. If you were found "afk" at your spawner, your precious 30 levels or whatever you had would turn into 5. This scared people into farming the exp and also created demand and some rarity for exp. Pvp honestly kept the economy up and gave the ranks a bit more purpose.

 

Well stated..

Look.. I get it. We want a server that is more attractive to new users. Heck if I owned it. I would do the same thing lol. By making it easier to start off, we see more players remain after the initial trial period and that is great. However, what we are left with now is a poor market system (some of you may be a bit young to understand), very low demand for goods, less real ways to produce income, and essentially we become just a social chat site with occasional lottos. For me PvP has nothing to do with it and really doesn't sway my opinion either way. It did regulate several markets like the nether world, which now seems like a distant memory. I actually sat and watched how much time went by until I saw a user in nether chat. It was 3 hours. If we are to keep the mining world what its is then fine, but we should at least turn off mobs and see how it impacts the xp market. To think that I can create level 4 tools/armor/and weapons for only $1300 just blows my mind. The server has exploded with supply and demand has all but diminished completely. You know its true.

Also for the individuals who continue to say that the majority of the people against the current mining world set up are res+, I would tell you that it seems to be more users who were around prior to the changes or enough to have really seen the difference. I will admit that shortly before the market had fallen some, but not to the extent that we have now.

And of course there is the most common argument that ECC is deemed a "hard core" economy server. Look up the definition of "hard core" and tell me that it truly represents ECC in its current state. I hate to say it, but there are some more advanced "hard core" servers around now and they focus on keeping it hard core by keeping the difficulty in place. To be honest the only real reason I still come to ECC is to hang out and catch up with the many great people I have come to know in a year. I then mine and mess around for a bit and move on. I am certainly not as dedicated (except for when I was a mod) as I was when I first joined.

 

As you stated ajp, the demand won't be an initial boom to the market. Things like this take time. I'm not saying ti makes things rarer but it makes people re think if they want to afk the mob grinders or they have to constantly watch their backs. This keeps users from afking and using an auto clicker. People also think to buy better armor to be able to survive an attack if they want to be successful, causing a rise in the need for protection armor or jsut diamonds in general. I understand that pvp isn't the only solution, but from what I remember, the exp market was really steady and was up there. But of course anvils and such were not as common. None the less people still re think if they want to farm exp, and just mining in general. All people can really do now is go mob spawner hunting to try to spike the exp, but it proves to have no effect time and time again. PvP and possibly some other changes such as 1 mob spawning from a spawner at any given time and such. Or just maybe decreased mob spawning. I'm sure that will make exp rise and demand once again, causing people to try and get it. And as you stated, $1300 for a almost maxed tool/armor set also appalls me as for it once was around 4k a set, And you usually get eff 4 tools from that, causing you to get 2 enchants =8k plus an anvil with more exp. This could possibly increase the price for armor and tools, not to what it once was but partially get up there.

 

I also hate how Builders are allowed into the mining world, but I do like how it isn't PVP anymore.

 

I don't mind builders, but the mining world used to have a sense of adventure, you would go in like; i have to be careful and play smart. It would add alot to the interest, i hate fighting while im trying to mine as much as the next guy, but it still was much more entertaining than getting followed as it is now. We need some difficulty on this server, not even the nether is as dangerous as it should be. Sometimes it feels like we are playing on a creative server.

 

Has it been suggested ever for different mining worlds for levels? Builders get Mining World 1 (they have to share), Residents get 2-5, Presidents get 6-10, etc. Or some variation.

Other servers go by levels, or donation ranks too. Something to differentiate the accomplishment levels.