Then this suggestion should be described explicitly as such, not as a systematic suggestion to hand over warnings to anyone who happens to let out a swear word for the first time.

 

I would completely agree with you @Ladyvamptress, I too do not like seeing the general rudeness of some people. Now I know that some people may 'slip up' but like you said when you are typing how is it possible to 'slip up'? I would like to see harsher punishments for those people.

I don't know if this has been mentioned/you know this but we do now have a command that lets us see warnings/let's us put a note on people so we can see what's been happening in the past hours.

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You clearly didn't read my post, at all. I simply stated some strange things I've noticed in society and how strange it would look to an outsider. Just some food for thought was all it was.

 

Now, personally speaking on the suggestion, I don't think the swearing rule should be harsher. It's something that I think should personally be relaxed. However, that's not the main point of this suggestion, rather, the implementation of the rule.

Here's where we run into the problem, it's a rigid system. This suggestion is basically creating a system that requires staff to have a three step process, no matter what the case basis is. For example, if I get killed by buffer and drop the F-bomb, it's much more different than me simply dropping it in normal conversation, correct? Now, neither are truly "justifiable" in your standpoint, which I understand from the view of a concerned parent. However, both of these users would receive a warning. Flash forward ten minutes and the same thing happens again. Both users receive kicks. After fifteen minutes, it happens again, boom, they're banned. Now, one user one could argue was justifiably banned (normal conversation), while the other who was just raging really was not justifiably banned, no matter who you ask.

I forget where I saw this post, but it said that staff shouldn't be kept to a rigid system, similar to something you're suggesting here. As @quefueve said, the vulgarity clause is one that is kept to a case by case basis, and should remain that way. Why? Because it's in the eye of the beholder, no matter whom that is. Whether it be a parent or a child, you have to understand where the other person is coming from at the time on the other end. Whether they were talking and said something bad, or they were raging. You have to keep it to a case by case basis.

I'd also like to elaborate on what @generaljoecool was saying. A kick is a serious moderation step, without a doubt. Kicking someone for their second warning is almost authoritarian in the sense you haven't given them that much of a chance to redeem themselves. I would give someone three warnings before I would even think about kicking someone. Kicks are serious, and shouldn't be dealt out like candy. Before you know it, it'll become the warn system we have in-game, taken as a joke by the majority.

To even elaborate more, it does create this idea that staff are all and powerful, and the users are their subjects. I don't know about you, but if I said two curse words, and was kicked, I'd be pretty concerned and would want to leave the server. I just don't believe it would effectively create harmony between both the players and staff members, something that Phys is trying to create.

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I guess the people with the opinion of needing more stringent rule enforcement would be us older types. Parents, teachers, priests, etc. that do not think anyone should just get warning after warning after warning. Says right on the advertisement "Family Friendly Server"

Let's put this in perspective. *puts on analogy hat*

Disney World (and all other Disney areas) are the epitome of "Family Friendly" I can't personally think of anything MORE "Family Friendly" than Disney parks.

a) How many times do you think one of the employees playing one of the characters (Mickey, Minnie, Goofy, etc.) gets warned if they drop an F=bomb on, let's say Main Street USA (central entrance into Magic Kingdom)

Zero. They are fired, on the spot (actually, as soon as they can be moved the "backstage" to minimize disruption) [banned on first offense]

b) How many times are guests of the parks allowed to drop f-bombs (or behave in a non-Family Friendly way)

Three. They are then escorted from the park by the Staff without refund. [banned after 3 warnings]

*puts analogy hat away*

How Family Friendly is ECC? How Family Friendly do we WANT it to be? Do the rules reflect our goals? Is the enforcement of those rules helping or hindering our goal?

Do we want to be Disney Friendly? What level of Family Friendly do we, as members of ECC, want to be perceived as?

 

Honestly it's already super relaxed and I believe that is the problem with it, you of most people if not all should know this with your multiple slip ups. Staff may say "So-and-So Please watch your language" But as Lady stated it is later forgotten and/or not checked and the person "slips up" once again. As far as that goes it's very relaxed.

 

What about the new gambling aspect they just added? Family server? hmm...

 

i see.

 

Whats the point of people getting warned if they don't learn or change anything from it. The whole point of a warn is to do what its called, warn. If people cannot understand what their doing isn't accepted, they will have to learn one way. Some cases are different then others, however sometimes you have to be a bit stricter.

 

TaylorBros22, please don't spam characters. (the '0's) Thanks!

 

100,000,000 is a valid number, and not spam. There is no need to mini-mod, especially when no rules have been broken. Please try to keep posts on a suggestion relevant to the suggestion itself.

 

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They could also use a censor for certain words (you might need another plugin for that)


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But that's totalitarian in the sense.

Should swearing be limited? If it comes to that, sure. But we should never, ever add in a chat plugin like that.

 

This is exactly what tends to happen when you give an inch - they take a mile. Not to mention that once a player starts swearing, there are many times that several others also "slip-up" - purely by accident I am sure.
The odd thing is that if a racial slur is used, normally a warning is given and then it is ban hammer time if it is repeated - very little moderator tolerance there it seems. This suggestion is simply stating it should be the same for swearing.
In defense of our staff, we as a community also tend to fail in this particular since we rarely file complaints against users who swear. I personally hate filing complaints against anyone but if that is what it takes to get this issue resolved - so be it. It is up to everyone to help our staff enforce rules so they do not have to be the bad "guys".
At least there would be documentation leading to the ban so there would be no surprise. Of course, it would be nice if this would be enforced with a little more than - User warned - User Severely warned - User Very Severely warned - After two warnings - the ban hammer comes out and the swearing will stop Imho.