The filter is only there to stop the obvious impersonation, it won't block everything, only a small amount of words. And if a nick contains a swear word or is inappropriate in any way then we staffmembers will take action.
This filter isn't there to block everything.

 

Then lets have a swear filter to block out the obvious swear words, and leave staff to handle the rest?

 

I would be fine with the bad swears and racist words blocked out.

 

You should have actually read and comprehended my previous post... //

He added that filter because impersonating staff causes actual harm to the server, and he doesn't care about all those variations because he has staff that will act if someone tries to get around them. The difference is that swearing, when not directed at anyone, does not cause harm to the server or its players. For swearing to be considered harmful to the sever one would have to deem it obscene, and in order to deem something obscene you basically need the majority to agree. One single person cannot deem something as obscene, meaning you cannot say swearing is harmful to the server, consequently your justification is refuted.

Some logic:

• Obscenity is defined by the opinion of the majority.
• Swearing is normal conduct for the majority of people.

Therefore,

• Swearing is not obscene.

Additionally,

• Obscenity is harmful to the moral standards of a community
• Swearing is not obscene

Therefore,

• Swearing, when not directed at anyone, is not harmful to the moral standards of a community in respect to obscenity.

 

Jason1964

Okay I will start explaining things:

Obscenity is by definition defined by the opinion of the majority.

The opinion of the majority does not require a definite percentage for its definition, because that clause simply refers to the "common morality of the time being," basically whether something is common practice.

Polls would not be required, because swearing is common practice and therefore not against the "common morality" of today.

My previous logic still stands not refuted.

 

There are many things that are common practice that aren't acceptable. I don't see how that explains it. I'd prefer to see a poll.

 

If something is common practice it is common behavior by definition.

 

Definitely not :)

If everything that was common practice was common behavior then we would have a perfect world. If my normal behavior is pickpocketing you of your cash, then it's definitely not common behavior.

 

This says nothing about YOUR normal behavior, it talks particularly about the common behavior of an entire population. Now given this is only to test whether something is obscene, not whether it is illegal. You can have something that is illegal, but not obscene, and you can have something obscene that is not illegal (maybe).

My previous logic still remains not refuted.

 

So your argument is that stealing cash from someone is common practice? He isn't talking about YOUR common practice, but the common practice of the majority of people. Which I can say with some certainty that stealing is not a common practice of everyone on the server. Also, if
you're going to use murder as an example then you have no argument. Murder is illegal IRL, swearing is most definitely not illegal.

 

If you cant handle a few curse words then leave the server until your able to do so.

 

I'm still unsure what you mean by "Majority" but I'd assume you would put it at "most people".

But even if something is common practice it doesn't make it right or wrong.

 

We are not directly talking about what is right and wrong, instead we are talking about what is obscene. Morality is largely subjective so putting forth a strictly moral argument would be useless, that is why I argued my point in reference to obscenity, because obscenity can be examined objectively and if something is obscene it is provably immoral by "common standard." In this case swearing is not obscene (refer to my previous argument) so, in respect to obscenity, swearing is not wrong. Also, swearing is incomparable to other "illegal" activities like murder, theft, slavery, or assault because swearing does not violate a natural right. Swearing does not cause anyone harm, in the sense of harm being defined by the result of an action which violates a natural right, so therefore swearing is also morally permissible in respect to natural right theory. Anything which is comparable to swearing must not be obscene and must not cause harm (violate a natural right). It seems like my previous argument still stands not refuted.

Could you provide an example of something which is not obscene (something common practice) and not harmful (does not violate a natural right) but still immoral?

 

It seems to me that our views between right and wrong, moral and immoral, and obscene and not obscene or two very very different things. I cannot provide you with what you've asked because, besides the fact I can't think of something off the top of my head, there's also the fact that you would disagree with my view of it.

I think swearing is wrong/bad/should be stopped.

You think otherwise.

I can't go any further then that.

 

But, I can prove I am correct. :/

 

You also have not provided your logic behind why you think swearing is wrong. One cannot simply say something is wrong because they "believe it to be wrong," there must be some logical framework behind the conclusion... shear conjecture doesn't cut it.

 

So some magical how the majority believing it to be wrong cuts it? Its the same natter of opinion that you think it isn't. Whats it good for besides venting? Nobody has any actual facts besides "the majority..." and "we dont know the exact definition..." which Jason pulls all the time when he is losing.

 

The method which I use is also used by the United State's Supreme Court... just for your information.

In a sense morality is a matter of public opinion so that may be your misunderstanding. You have to use opinions to make sense of this because this entire problem relates to morality, which is basically one collective sense of opinion.

In simple terms: you use the opinions of everyone to determine whether the opinion of a specific person is correct, when it relates to obscenity, because consensus defines what is normal. <-- this is a fact

 

So where is this magical poll saying everyone is for cursing on this server?