Ecocity is a wonderful minecraft comunity for people young and old. But just as in every other community, vutual and real life, there are a few that screw it all up for us. Ecc has a few users (not gona csll anyone out) that CONSTANTLY cuss, advertise, spamm, and cause drama. I have seen there people appeal bans over, and over, and over again. Its rediculous. Their not gona stop! We need to put a 3strike system to get rid of the the people who just wont stop.
Actually, on Monday the New York Times reported that California is thinking of ditching its well-known "Three Strikes" rule, because they don't think its working well. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/booming/born-of-grief-three-strikes-laws-are-being-rethought.html In my opinion, it is better to have flexibility when issues need to be addressed. Each case is different.
he he he heeeeell noooo. lol I don't do anything bad on ECC but tbh I find it entertaining to see a little bad stuff here and there. If this rule was implemented, 75% of ECC will be gone in a month. Andrew would receive alot less donations for the server too. Alot of those guys donate good sums of their piggy banks for pixels.
Well, some people cuss like theres no tommorrow, and scam over and over. There just all in all bad players. And it doesnt have to be 3 strikes. It could be as simple as the mods talking and deciding a player needs to go. If we did that, only 3 people per month max would get perma banned.
We already do that. The issue here is, staff aren't the ones who decide perma bans. That goes to Andrew. Andrew is the only person who can decide severe punishment such as a perma ban. Therefore, this kind of system will never work unless Andrew decides he wants it.
Miner is correct that many states have it in the legal system. However, those systems are being reevaluated by the community. Should someone who has committed three non violent crimes really be put away for life? The legal community set that system up, as far as I am aware, as a deterrent. In recent years the legal system has started to notice that deterrents don't do a lot. Rehabilitation would honestly be the best resort and yet, we are one of the few countries that barely even tries rehabilitation. ...I could go on for a year about everything wrong with our system... but I won't. The fact is, the three strike system is not going so well in real life. It was a deterrent for adults and it didn't work on them. Why would this type of a deterrent work on kids who are not at their full mental capacity yet? Edit: I'm also going to add this here: http://online.ccj.pdx.edu/resources/news-article/factors-that-affect-criminal-behavior/ Thus my answer is no.
I honestly believe in a 2-strike system. I have always believed that your personality on a game does not reflect your morals, but rather your integrity. If you are going to scam, swear, and cheat repeatedly, you are one of 4 things: 1) Too young to realize how your actions affect others 2) Think it's "not gonna hurt anyone, so I think it's ok" 3) Firmly believe that your not going to get caught or 4) Just simply dont care. If you let it get to the point of what some people have done here on ECC, people connect the dots and realize that if they break the rules, they can just appeal, get accepted, be back on by tomorrow. Next time, it might be 2-3 days, then itll be a week, a month. What i think is borderline outrageous, is "un-permabanning." Define to me "permanent." I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, it means that it will not change. I do not believe that the dictionary says "It will not change, but there's some exceptions..." The person in question has obviously done something so wrong to be permanently banned. Why risk letting that player back into the community? What if, that said player scams 5 people out of melon swords, gets caught, then permabanned once more? What happens to the people's money? I know the point has been brought up, that if you spawn money into the economy to pay back a scammed player, and then the person gets unbanned, then it backfires. But if that banned player isn't (or at least shouldn't be) coming back, how would that hurt the economy in that scenario? Back to the main point, a banned player that has a clean track record, should be unbanned with an honest, well-written appeal that shows great effort, then of course, they should be let back in the community. I know my two-strike system will not go well, as a common point that will come up is, "That's not how it works in real life though!" And i'll say, "Of course not!" After all people, in Minecraft, you can be banned a few times on your favorite server, then be permabanned. Sadly, no one is stopping you from moving on right to the next server. In real life, you can't simply opt out of the legal system. You have to serve your punishment that has been handed to you; you have to stay in whatever correctional facility they assign you to. You can't just say "Alright, im done with this American prison, ill go visit Canada, maybe stir up some trouble there." All in all, whatever the staff decides, I think some changes need to be made in ECC's appealing system.
I've actually talked to a SuperMod in game about this. They said that in doing that, ECC would practically be throwing people out, because so many appeal so many bans. Upon banning people, they want to keep people on the server so the server is fun. If you just threw them out, imagine what could happen to the server's future just based on what people spread around? Who knows how many ECC'ers have talked to their IRL friends about the server. For an awesome example: revanrose6 and Core_Diver. Revan started on ECC and got Core (her IRL friend) to join. Now we have two awesome SuperMods. Also, it depends on the severity of the crime the person committed. If someone scammed someone (didn't pay back a loan in time) who knows what may have happened to that person in real life, and if it was their third instance or crime (even not-related to scamming) would it be fair for the person to be banned when it was truly out of their control? The ban appeals allow a cushion for players to fix themselves after messing up, or just giving them chances to behave. As revan said, if Andrew thinks someone is acting up so much they need a perma ban, then they will be perma banned. Most of the bans, I THINK, are temp bans not usually lasting more than a week. So, if these people want to continue misbehaving, they will be either constantly banned and allowed back, or Andrew will decide.
You are correct, ECC would be throwing people out. But these people are not going to change their ways. People dont troll on a minecraft server to get a life lesson. Ive seen way too many ban appeals that state that they pare a "changed person." This is in all cases, false. As i statedin my above post, people feel no remorse when they troll or scam or steal from one another. Unlike real life, they can terrorize one server, get banned, then move on to the next. ECC's goal should be to prevent this in any way necessary. EDIT: Why would they want to keep the people with extensive ban histories on te server? How would that make it a better environment?
I personally think that each offense should be worth a certain number of points, depending on severity. Our school utilizes this system for detentions/things like that. Forum warnings can count as points depending on severity. A simple program could automatically tally points each time a player is banned and be manually cleared by Andrew or a GA if the ban is accidental. Example: (Open to suggestions) Spamming: 1 Advertising: 4 Hacked Client: 5 Dual accounting: (Perma ban) Cussing: Varies upon severity Scamming: 5 etc. etc. A player could earn up to say 15-20 points before being reviewed by Andrew. The program could send a notification using the ECC alert system. (Of course dual accounting would be an automatic perma-ban) The points could start after implementation and basically not include the points for previous offenses. This could give players the opportunity to turn over a new leaf. (Those already permabanned would remain so.)
I understand what you guys are saying, but I've seen people get banned for something, i.e. griefing, just to see what it was like to be on the other side of the ban appeal, and they're appeal was truly honest. I think the point system, however, is an awesome idea!
If you want to see what the other side of the appeal is like, enough to go get yourself banned to try it out, you should NEVER be allowed back on. If your that curious, how about seeing what forum bans or permabans are like?
I still don't think it matters... How are the people who were griefed supposed to know that the person just wanted to see what it was like? How are they guaranteed that their stuff hasn't just been sold? And are the mods supposed to understand and punish any differently?
