[Suggestion] A New Suggestion For Scammed Players

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  1. Original_Jackson

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    Suggestion: Well, I know I am gonna get objections from the mods, but I propose that when a player is scammed, the money in the scammers balance is transferred into that players balance if the user who scammed is found guilty. I understand this has been suggested in some way ebfore so hear me out. Say user A gets scammed 10, if user B(the scammer) is banned, his 10k or whatever he has at the time is transferred (if he has 20k, the 10k is sent to user A and user B keeps his other 10k).
    Now, I'll take it to the complex levels.
    User A is scammed 10, User C is scammed 30k, and user D is scammed 20k, however, user B (the scammer) spent 30k already on lottery. Well, user A Gets 5k, C gets 15k, and D gets 10k. (I used a 50% deduction because it was easiest! the more random amounts could be accounted for)
    Now, let's go even further
    Say user A is scammed 10k by user B, and he spends 8.5k on diamonds and 1.5k is kept, then 1.5k is given to user A and there is nothing else that can be done about it.
    Now, let's talk about items, is user A pays 550k for a MSword to user B and is scammed, user B keeps the MSword and spends 200k on lotto, used A is given 350k (I assume mods cannot delete players items, so the thought of given the user a MSword and deleting the one the player had is not an option)

    As you may have noticed, the system cannot give back all your money, but it is a way to get back some.

    Reason: So many people have reduced time played or quit altogether because of scammers, I now as a resident being scammed 440k was such a tough loss, and now that total is up to 680k in donation features alone, it is quite saddening, if this simple change were to take place, players would not feel as cheated by these scammers, because, I for one, have not been relayed a single cent of what I have been scammed. I believe the current system of "Oh this player owes you 60k or 1 ecd Giftcard when/if they appeal" is not cutting it, again, me and countless others have been scammed with zero return, and this would help ease the pain of seeing those long hours of farming or mining or whatever go down the drain because someone is mean enough to scam.

    Additional info: None.

    Link to the plugin: Nope.
     
    #1 Original_Jackson, Nov 21, 2013
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    /support.

    Don't see any bad effects if this was implemented! I would love to have this added.
     
  3. alpert3925

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    We can't just add money into the economy like that... -1
     
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    Player A scams Player B 100K, Player A then pays Player C all the scammed money. If this were to occur, Player A would have no money to take to give to Player B, and Player C has all the money.
     
  5. Original_Jackson

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    Fine by me, I'm not trying to make a perfect system, if that happens like a certain case a few months ago, if it is not found out there are 2 accounts at work, then you get no money back, however, if it is found out player C was in on it, then that balance could be transfered.
     
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    Not trying to be mean but this makes no sense... Pretty sure if I pay someone 60k and they get banned for scamming, returning my 60k isn't adding money into the economy..... You're wrong.
     
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    It may seem awful, but here is an analogy. The black plague was a disease, and such diseases are meant to keep the human population in check. like wildfires, they often do more good in the outcome. Scamming, for instance takes a good amount of money out of the economy and even though it may seem fair to give the user their money back, a real, hardcore economy would always have risk. If there is no chance, no risk, then there really is no competition. Risk contributes to a good, strong economy. Even this sounds good, scamming is kind of beneficial part of the economy itself but sadly not on players. Such things have to happen, though. Just don't get scammed and take evidence and you will often find them working to give you your money back.
     
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    Ya, I totally get your point but, just like floods, which provide good earth for plants to grow on, I guarantee every person who lost their house to that flood, would want it or something back.
     
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    If the user appeals he can receive the money back with no real damage to the economy. It takes money out of the economy, which is beneficial in the end.
     
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    There ways to get the economy back up, and having players quit because their hard earned money was scammed, is not a good thing.
     
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    There are plenty of warning signs, plenty of ways to prevent getting scammed and reporting it to getting your money back. They don't have to quit and if they do then it is their choice. Is it a good thing? No. If you went to a casino and gambled a way all of your hard earned and expected some back, you would be wrong. Risk, again is needed for a strong economy and money is not always a happy and friends4ever thing. It is bad, but they trust the people and therefore they are at fault and only deserve it back if the user appeals.
     
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    So when you add 100k to my bal and the scammer has 100k in their bal that was scammed from me. How is that not adding money to the economy? Andrew has turned this down more times then I can count.
     
  13. Original_Jackson

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    If you can give someone money then you can take away. Read the post. Near the top I state the money is TAKEN from the scammer and GIVEN to the scammed player.
     
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    Ok, but then what happens when the scammer appeals his/her ban? Say u scam me and I get a full refund. When you appeal I have already received my money back so what Do you need to do as a punishment?
     
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    The "punishment" for bans isn't repaying the person, the punishment is the temp ban they receive, so since you" paid" the full amount, you do your tempban and are unbanned, or, if you only were transferred half the loss, the person would have to pay the half they still owe.
     
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    I'm sorry but that is just absolutely ridiculous. I'm done here.
     
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    It's a good idea and has its pros and cons just like everything else has its pros and cons. I personally prefer to not have this system though for several reasons. One, people wouldn't be as protective of their money knowing that they'd have a bad chance of not getting some back if not all. Two, there would be a lot more work on the staff's part figuring out who owes who and then paying whoever that money. Three, money does need to be taken out of the economy. And lastly four, makes the "hardcore economy" less "hardcore". This system would take out a lot of the risk from ECC and reward trusted users less.
     
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    It think with some minor tweaks, its better then the system they have now.
     
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    First question: Who would have the power to do this? Who do you intend to have handle these issues?
     
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    Well, seeing as game admins can now do ranks, if it is not too much extra work, they could, also, o do under and if only Andrew could do these it can't happen because that is simply to much to do, he is already busy enough.
     
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