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    Notice: All current arguments taking place are currently being dealt with, to find a solution to a new problem with the thread. With that being said the thread is currently being edited as of 1/5/15

    A new post will take place here later for a more detailed approach to the idea soon.

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    Minecraft Name: petethepug

    Suggestion: To allow users to have a more excipernced battle with combat on Hunger Games. There are actually some users whom do not want to buy kits, and some users who can't get a job, or cannot properly ask for an allowance due to funds with a family.

    EDIT: This is to re-introduce rebalancing. Not the removal of all kits.

    I have been noticing several games that you have to be excipernced at PvP to actually earn money. Okay no worries. BUT you also have to get super lucky OR buy a kit from the store. Most likely, http://shop.ecocitycraft.com/category/288659 the 'Stay and Fight Class'

    Evidence: I have been noticing many users use the 'Stay and fight class', for PvP, or anything better than that. Because of this, for none donor users. It is actually harder to PvP, even with the best armor. Sometimes you may get lucky finding a sword, and armor. But then, "Shoot! No food!", and can't sprint. Or find lots of food, and TNT, but then "Shoot! No Armor, sword, and bow!", etc. Compared to someone with a kit they can just have all of that instantly, and kill the users who are defenseless, can't sprint, etc to get better than their current kit.

    Youtube Demo:
    Edit, I could not get this on YT due to it being 22 Mins long, see the file below.

    Edit, http://www.filedropper.com/2016-01-03-1555-13 DO NOT HIT THE FIRST DOWNLOAD, THAT IS AN ADVERTISEMENT. USE THE ONE BELOW THAT NEXT TO THE LINK(S)


    Reason: As provided by the demo, the study shows that games can be more enjoyable when everyone can use kits, it provides steady, and better combat strategy as well.

    Any Other Information: No,

    Link To This Plugin/Is this a custom addition?: N/A



    EDIT:

    Alright I been seeing some mis-comunications here on the thread, and to further prevent it, I am going to put it here.

    1. Users who purchased a kit, and it was removed/terminated, that user will receive a $30 COUPON CODE, for THE SERVER STORE, to prevent people from raging. This is to ensure that users are satisfied with what they bought.

    2. Users who purchased more than one kit, and those kits were removed, those will be refunded as well with a Coupon Code for the server store.

    3. Users who previously purchased a kit that they had bought for PvP advantages, and that kit gets removed, if a kit is republished for balancing, and it is claimed similar to the one they used, then they will get a free maxed out kit of the republished version. This means if the 'Stay, and fight class', was taken away, and republished, you will get that new republished maxed out class.

    4. The server will not pay, or transfer coupon codes. VIA Server store -> Steam Store Coupons, etc

    5. Coupons will last forever, they cannot be traded for in game advantages, in game to another user, it is for your use only, and only focuses on you. Because of this you can get anything you want in the server store, for $30, double the value of a SG Kit,

    6. Users only get to use the coupon once in a transaction. Once you use it, its gone. If you accidently forgot to add something to your cart, you can provide evidence with the order, as well as proof of you owning the coupon.

    7. This is not intended to steal peoples money, rather giving back that money at a future date. Hopefully 1 - 3 months, or earlier. Its understandable the staff have to make concept ideas for kits, and they have to be well balanced, which is why the $30 Coupon Code is great to use to stop that wait time, to allow you to use something useful while waiting on the server.

    8. The main point of the thread is not to remove kits, rather rebalance them, the maps, and kits that can be used for all players.

    9. Regular users may receive 1 - 5 free kits, if not more, or less.


    10. Please ignore all posts claiming this is a bad idea stating that refunds are a problem. Those posts were there when this edit was not here yet.
     
    #1 petethepug, Jan 3, 2016
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    So - are you suggesting to get rid of or nerf kits? I'm all for that, but there undoubtedly will be many, many legal issues.
     
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    I like that idea. Maybe people who bought a kit will get there money back or a coupon and can just get another feature.
     
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    That would cause inflation on an absolutely massive scale. I would like it from my standpoint but from the server's it is a total disaster of an idea.
     
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    Inflation for what? The United States? This isn't ECD, but USD. I am not saying it is a good idea, but inflation isn't the thing to worry about.
     
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    No, users can keep there kits, however chest chances of items/bows/random items will be nerfed, or buffed.
    Removing kits would be considered 'illegal'. Likewise to all kits currently owned, those may be removed BUT users who payed for them previously will get a new maxed out, rebuffed kit. Example, Stay, and fight will be removed, they make a similar kit called Knight but fair for everyone, likewise users who previously owned it WILL keep the kit, and it will be maxed.

    Possibly more than what they payed for possibly. $16 -> $25 to ensure all users are happy, and can receive what they want in return, or get free in game money, gifting, etc.

    Inflation of the server, aka flame war. That can be resolved easily.
     
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    This is a good point. People who can't buy features don't stand a chance against people with kits.
     
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    How about buff the chests yet again? I know that Jamie's changed last summer were done to level the playing field a bit, but it's still not all that level. Maybe even have bows in chests?
     
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    This might help so players without kits don't need to get close to players with kits.
     
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    Inflation does NOT mean a flame war. XD Inflation is the decrease of a currency's worth.
     
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    Think how unfeasible it would be to offer refunds for every kit purchased - That's thousands of dollars lost in potential revenue. The server needs money to run and advertise - and when the server doesn't' have money, it can't do either.

    SG is broke - Sure, a tweak here and there might help, but a long term fix that will actually work won't be feasible.

    What we should be doing is focusing on developing other minigames for the main server and hub, such as Kit-PvP.

    SG is too broken and it's too late to take any real action against Kits - We should be focusing on a new minigame instead.
     
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    Donor store coupons...
    That kind of resolves the issue for 10 - 100 users on the server instead of giving out refunds.

    New mini games would be a good idea, but at this point to prevent more P2W this had to be done to let the developers know what is going on, and how it effects others. To prevent future mini games being like this, H & S, Splegg, etc.

    Oh woops >_>.
    Now I know a new word xD.
     
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    I seriously doubt this would happen. Not only would the server lose huge amounts of money, but also raging players.
     
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    Maybe there could be a separate arena for people with kits and an arena for people without kits and an arena for both.
     
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    I was referring to donor coupons in my original post - They're essentially refunds. Issuing everyone thousands upon thousands of dollars in coupons will cost the servers lots of money - Something unfeasible when the server has thousands upon thousands of dollars in expenses too.
     
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    Diamond, Thats been suggested many times and could work. But removing kits all the way? Good luck...
     
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    My mistake. I was not aware you posted something related to coupons, rather I was thinking a full out refund.
    That will be a temperally thing, once the old users get bored, stop playing, etc. Then that's when the server could perhaps start making money again, as new users may join at a later date. Either A. Do good on the server, B. Do horrible, and always P2W, to get free money, and perks in game.

    Re-read the post please, it has been edited.
    THIS is not to remove all kits. Its to rebalance the game generally, and other features. I'm sure you know what the term 'balancing', means so I'm not going to go over it a whole lot.

    Maybe about 1 - 2 kits may be removed, then after that the problem is fixed, generally and eventually new classes, and rebalanced classes will be added, and introduced to the server.
     
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    *Joins two days ago, suddenly knows how to run the server better.
     
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    Uh,

    Dude,

    Do you realize how high the quality of servers I have been on, and participated as staff o_O.
    Nice try,
     
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    That doesn't matter. You can't know a server in 2 days. ECC is very complex, I would like you to tell me even 2 ecc "slang words"