It's to solve the same problem. We pay back scam victims with server money, and if the scammer doesn't appeal within 1 month of the ban, their assets are liquidated. Do I like it better than the current suggestion? Yes. Do I like it overall? No. The bottom line of all of this is that scam victims should not be "refunded" with server money. It encourages reckless trade and other problems (fighting amongst people who win server money).

 

Saying that this system encourages reckless trading is like saying that seat belts encourage car crashing. It just does not make sense since no one knows if they are going to be picked for a refund and no one is going to be more reckless because there is some chance to get his/her money back. I think you think ECC players are a lot dumber than they are.

 

People are already reckless with trading and this isn't added yet.

 

You would be right if the system refunded 100% of the scammed players but it doesn't so there is no reason to be more reckless. The thing is you will need evidence to get a refund and if you have them that means you are not reckless at all. You did what you were supposed to do but the other player just didn't pay out the loan you gave him or didn't return the melon sword you rented to him etc. I don't see people doing deals with shady players and no contracts just because there is a small chance they will be picked and refunded, it just doesn't make any sense. I myself at times am reckless but that is my choice and I have calculated the risks, but if this suggestion is approved I will not become even more reckless just because I know that MAYBE I will be refunded.

 

I don't see how that helps contribute to the solution seeing it isn't very compatible with this suggestion.

 

so what happens to those banned players will they ever be able to appeal again? or once they get banned and that player has already gotten paid back will the banned players ever be able to join the server again?

 

oh ok +1

 

This system only looks good on paper. You're assuming people will be all fine and dandy with it. Having a higher tax on lotto, still no way of actually deciding who gets reimbursed (That still seems to be up in the air...). And, what happens to the people that don't get picked? Do they stay? Do they leave? We don't know. As well, who would the scam victim pay? And how would that money be taken out of the economy, since they're paying a user. Still very flawed at this point.

 

Every one of your questions has been answered before multiple times.

 

How is the money being taken out of the economy from the scammer?

 

If the scammer appeals and is accepted back he has to pay the money to the server. If he doesn't appeal or isn't accepted back the money or items he bought with them are gone forever with him so they are no longer a part of the economy. If the scammer already spent all the money for lotto tickets and is banned forever (that has a really small chance to happen) there will be one less person to generate money in the economy via farming/mining/exp farming etc. This means if he scammed for lets say 100k and put all his money in lotto and lost (its a small chance but Im talking about a worst case scenario here) and he makes on average ~20k a day via farming/mining etc that means that in 5 days the economy will balance itself out (not that a 100k is a huge problem but its just an example).

 

Not what me and dork are suggesting, this suggestion. For clou's suggestion, how is the money being taken out of the economy after the scammer successfully appeals?

 

What if we target loan businesses? After all, they're usually the ones scammed the most.

I know myself have been scammed quite a large amount back when I operated my loan business. I did eventually close it because I allowed something large loans, which after being scammed those loans, depleted my "loan bank" (still havent been paid these loans for 6months+). I'm not just agreeing with this because I've been scammed, but I think it would be more fair to help the ones that help the most. (I.e. someone gives one loan and is scammed vs someone who gives multiple loans and is scammed). Helping those who help more would be nice. And yes, keep people here.

 

@clou44 you have ignored nearly everything I said

 

Well a user just went all out and mass scammed like 6 people! (Check user complaint section). Ugh. Why do people do this?

 

All 6 people were stupid for trading with him, this massive 6 scamming has happened like 3 times now with him. These are the people the server should not reimburse.

 

@clou44

I have a question,
Why can't we just liquidate the scammers assets?

 

Unfortunate as it seems, scamming is integral to the successful ECC economy - probably even removing more money than lottery - especially here lately.
I have to ask - is there a contest going on right now to see who will be the biggest scammer on ECC of all time? I want to let everyone know that I refuse to compete if there is.
Be thoughtful in your answers as this was not meant as flame bait, I just really can't figure out why this is such an issue currently.