If that's true, then why the hell is this an issue?

 

Because it still sucks when someone steals your money. I personaly see this idea as a way to improve the experience of playing on ECC and not to keep people on the server. In some cases ECC can be very frustrating but I can't just leave everything behind just like that and that is a really bad feeling, its like being trapped. You have spent way too much time on ECC to leave and yet you get cheated and frustrated more than you should. This suggestion will reduce this feeling of being trapped at least as far as scamming goes.

 

If someones going to quit for not getting picked by this system they were gona quit from being scammed anyways so it really won't have an affect on that.

 

I understood exactly what you meant. I asked you to explain your logic not what you meant. I've talked to you about the 1 out of 10 "statistic". It is not close to accurate. Absolutely nothing is backing up that statistic. You are pretty much the one who brought up that statistic and have been using it to portray what would happen. When people have used it besides you they used it as an example not as a statistic of what would happen. Currently there is no accurate way of knowing how many people this will help. All we know is that it will help some people, possibly not a lot but some. Again I'll ask you to do something since you didn't the last time I asked. Please explain your logic of why we should have to help most people to be able to help anyone.

 

Clearly you didn't read Agent's post. It would be ineffective. If it doesn't help the majority, it doesn't help at all. Don't get on your horses and start saying "It's better to help at least!", because it doesn't. If you don't help the majority, you'll get a lot more problems such as people complaining about the system, people leaving, etc. The logic is that you need to have a large basis of help before you can start it. That's my logic. Again, don't say it's nice to help, because it is. And if you think that, go make a charity fund yourself.

 

The point that I was trying to get across was that it would be ineffective/inefficient.

 

There should be a warning when there is a 20% tax lotto. Its really important not to force people into it.

 

Again you have absolutely nothing backing that up aside from your own assumptions, because of this your 1/10 statistic doesn't mean anything and isn't remotely accurate.

 

1. If something helps some people but not the majority it still helps some people, we can both agree it helps some people, however you say even though it helps some people it doesn't help anyone. This makes no logical sense. 2. If people are going to complain about us helping people because it doesn't help enough people, too god damn bad. We're sorry for the terrible crime that we have committed. If people leave because they didn't get chosen by the system they would have left if the system wasn't in place the only difference is with the system in place they have a chance of being chosen and a chance of keeping them on the server, I don't know how many times you've been told this and how many times you've ignored it and made no counter point to it, and if you don't understand it by know I don't know what anyone can do to get this through to you. 3. Your only logic is that people will bitch and moan about the system and people will leave the server due to the system. First off I seriously dought a number of people that will actually make a difference will do this if anyone actually does it because I dought anyone will. If people are honestly willing to complain about this they are pretty much willing to complain about anything so if they don't complain about this it really doesn't matter because we're gona hear them complain about something else. You say we need a large amount of support to get started, but the best way to get support is to start it and we have a decent amount of support to start it now, on top of that the consequences that you say will happen is a few people moaning about that and a even fewer amount of people actually leaving. An amount of people that is far less than an amount this system would keep on the server in about a month of activity. 4. "Again, don't say it's nice to help, because it is. And if you think that, go make a charity fund yourself." Your exact words. First off idk what you mean by again but whatever. You said it yourself it's good to help people. Then you say if I think it's good to help people I should make a charity fund. By your own logic you should make a charity fund yourself. Go ahead I encourage you to do it. You could put that 1 million you brag about having in your signature to good use.

 

+1 This is a good idea but i have one main concern. Will the player that got scammed profit off of the scam if they win this lotto? Alot of people do lotto and lots of money go into this but what if the player didnt get scammed for larger amount then they win in the lotto? Just a concern i would like to bring up.

 

They would get paid the amount they were scammed and the rest of the money would go to other victims

 

I thought I would crunch some numbers to add to this suggestion. I am not giving my opinion on anything - merely trying to provide some figures for people to see rather than shouting out unsubstantiated numbers. I am fed up of reading this and people throwing made-up numbers around.

Admittedly, it probably won't change the main argument here which seems to be 'Helping 1 person is better that none' vs 'If you can't help the majority it will just cause worse problems' - but at least everyone can see the number side of it.
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I picked the week 8-14th December as a period to look into. The idea behind this was that it recent, but before the increase holiday period player count. First of all, what is the total 'scammed debt'. I have included every complaint which resulted in the felon being banned (or their ban reason being updated) within the 7 day period. So the effective time of the complaint is not when it was posted, but when it was closed by a staff member.

The complaints
220k (280k payback) - Complaint
35k (60k payback) - Complaint
280k & 33 netherstars - Complaint
97k (125k payback) - Complaint
Msword (I have given this a value of 800k) - Complaint
150k (165k payback) - Complaint
0.95k - Complaint
575k - Complaint

$2,137,950 + 33 nether stars worth of debt from people who were banned for scamming in the 7 day period 8-14th December.

Now onto the lottery tax calculations. The proposal is to increase lottery tax for 1 day by 5%. This additional 5% will go towards repaying the victims. Originally when I wrote this up I just picked Sunday 14th as a day to test, but I decided to do all of the days in the end to see what the range of possibilities was.

Example (Sunday 14th):
- In the 24hr period, 6,347 tickets were bought. If we were to raise the lottery taxes from 15-20% for 1 day as per this suggestion, $50 per ticket would go towards this fund. This amounts to $317,350.

8th December - $251,600
9th December - $202,500
10th December - $455,450
11th December - $284,500
12th December - $376,300
13th December - $507,700
14th December -$317,350

So the amount of money that would go into this fund for this week could be as low as $202,500 or as high as $507,700 depending on which day it would have been done.


Food for thought:

• The figures for this week would lead to roughly a 1.6-1.9million ECD deficit.
  • Any process of allocating money would have to be extremely well thought out to be able to fair and somehow get around a large figure without being unfair.
• What effect advertising an increased lottery tax day would have.
  • It could have no effect at all on the 'core' everyday lotto players and actually lead to more tickets being bought by charitable people who want to help out in some way OR it may kill the lottery completely for that day.
• Could this be stimulated by holding a crazy lotto on the day the increased tax was implemented?
  • The server/economy would still get all the usual benefits from the crazy lotto 15% tax, and I highly doubt that if Phys came online an announced a crazy lotto people wouldn't buy because of an increase 5% tax. In fact I imagine that it wouldn't even cross people's minds. People beg for crazy lottos all the time.
• Whilst these figures aren't an accurate average of lottery tickets bought on a day or average weekly scamming debt, it does show EXACTLY what those in charge of this system would have to consider for this week.

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For the record, I am skeptical of how this would work from a practical/time point of view of the senior staff. The time of the staff (and in particular the GAs/SAs who would be tasked with this is already limited). That isn't really something which I want to get into in this post though.

 

+(number thats soo high) I agree! I know what scam feels like, many will come out with stuff about inflated economy and stuff, but the money being used is already being taken out so... Anyways I love it!

 

Dewsy, thank you for taking your time and effort to provide factual numbers that show exactly what we are looking at. I personally would be much more inclined to donate to a fund (I very rarely play lotto) that could encourage players to learn not to be scammed.

 

Yes please! Yet adding money into our economy doesn't sound that good! D:

 

Actually we wouldn't be adding money to the economy because the money for the fund comes from a slight increase in the lotto tax

 

:D Even better!