Well that's quite the change from the previous post...

 

If you want me to give a more in depth explanation feel free to ask.

 

Which previous post?

 

This post, as well, please give a more in-depth explanation as to why the economy relies so heavily on scamming.

 

The first thing that comes to mind are taxes. I was told (this migh be wrong) that when you are inactive the server takes chunks of your ECD until you hit 0$. This can be applied on monthly/weekly basis as taxes.

 

Ok a real argument, lets do this.

Maybe it isn't completely solving the negative effects of scamming, however what you can't deny is it will help relieve the effects. That's better than nothing. One of the possibilities of choosing the scamming victims to repay is by random selection. As for the gray area you have a point is isn't specified on the qualifications, however there are a lot of options and possibilities. You give some ways you can try to avoid scamming, yet again this suggestion is focusing on the effects of the scam anything before that is for the most part irrelevant to this suggestion, but ill address your point anyways. While in some cases scamming could have been avoided in some cases the victim was being smart, but still scammed. The only way to truly have no risk of being scammed is to not have player to player deals. If no one took the risks of player to players deals many aspects of the economy would be destroyed which is something we all want to avoid. This is not a waste of time, because again this DOES HELP. If it doesn't solve it still helps people stay on the server, and we can use as many people on the server as we can get. That is plenty of reason to do this suggestion. Doing this also encourages player to player trades which is GOOD for the economy because 1. player to player trades don't cause inflation. 2. player to player trades are more flexible which is what this server needs.

The main reason I have given this suggestion the most credit to and why I am taking it's side isn't because a SA suggested it, it's because it makes sense and it doesn't have a lot of negative sides to it.(I'm sure some people just agreed because a SA suggested it though) Your next point is like saying you can't heal a wound without trying to prevent the wound. I really don't understand where you're coming from with this. If a kid falls and scrapes his knee you can put a band aid on it and do nothing else. While solving scamming is catastrophic we are trying to help scam victims to give them a reason to play on the server. In the SQ if a scammer never appeals the scammed never gets their money back which is even more of a reason to impliment this. Think about it. Yes it does make sense. I'm sure a lot of people (not all)will be playing lotto on that one day because it will be helping people as well as trying to win the lotto. It really isn't that different from regular lotto tax.

Good we finally agree on something you truly cannot fully prevent scamming. Yes certain steps can be taken to prevent one from being scammed but as I stated before the only way someone can certainly not be scammed is to not take place is player to player economic activity which as I stated before would be devastating to the economy. You say lotto sales will go down, I've thought about this a lot. The truth is it can go both ways up or down. First off the actual affect the extra tax will have on people playing the lotto is in reality minuscule. There was also the idea of crazy lottos taking place during the day which time after time has been proven to get a lot of people to put their money into the lotto. If people don't want to play lotto by themselves a crazy lotto can get them to play. Now lets say you are buying chocolate for a fund raiser. Why are you buying the chocolate? For the good prices? No it's ridiculously expensive. You are buying to help out. I think the same thing will happen with the lotto. Onto the next point of lotto being a money dump. This is probably the most legitimate downside to this suggestion. I saw what Dewsy said and it made sense, except for one thing. He said 400 some thousand is half of the extra 5% lotto tax and he said if that isn't taken out of the economy when it usually would it would quickly cause an imbalance, however there is a huge hole in his logic. 400 some thousand is HALF of the 5%. That half is usually taken out of the economy, but in this case it wouldn't be taken out. The hole is THE OTHER HALF IS USUALLY NOT TAKEN OUT OF THE ECONOMY BUT IS IN THIS CASE. The two will cancel each other out leaving little effect on inflation. The only way this will affect inflation is the difference of lotto ticket purchases on the one day, which can go either way. For the next point you misunderstood what I said. In the SQ if all scamming were to cease it would be devastating to the economy. I'll explain this in a bit, Khobbits put this in a way better than I could so I'll try to find his post and show it to you.

While it is a real possibility that this suggestion will cause people to take more risks regarding scamming, that is good for the economy. Player to player trade is good for the economy in just about every aspect. It doesn't cause inflation and it creates a more diverse economy as well as creating new markets. This expands the economy. While it not be very "hardcore" it is still good for the economy. As I have stated before it is good to have people take risks if they don't take risks they stick to player to server money making which really isn't much of an economy and it is the prime cause of inflation. If people don't want to be scammed they should take precautions I agree with that, but they are still just as much as a victim as anyone else, and we need them on the server whether it is their fault or not. As for the part of intentions I'm not going to say the people you are talking about aren't assholes, but I will argue that what they are doing is still good and that that is really what matters. Let's say some guy donates a ton of money to charity just to look generous. When most people look at what he did will they focus on his intentions, ehh not really. They focus on what we did, which most people can agree is good he donated to charity. What is important is what they did and the effects of what they did. Again I'm not going to say they are or aren't assholes I'm going to say it doesn't matter.

 

I'm confused what does this have to do with anything?

 

Its an response to this

 

The thing is most inactive users stay inactive. This means the money in their balance is already out of the economy. Taking money out of the economy that is already out of the economy really doesn't do anything. Plus if some rich guy goes inactive and comes back to find out he has no money he will probably quit driving users from the server.

 

I don't think you really understood me but nvm, just take a look at this http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/taxes/

 

No no no no no, that's a horrible idea. Taxes would be terrible, absolutely terrible and so many ways to exploit them as well.

 

@greg45865734 ,

You have some good points, although it may be a good thing. It still shouldnt be condoned as normal nor good. I do think clou's idea might assist with both sides comming out with result.

 

It isn't really condoned as normal or good scammers are still banned. Also if scammers aren't unbanned they are unable to pay back the people that they scammed. Also you can't always decipher intentional scamming from failure to pay loans.

 

While that would be pretty effective at solving inflation that will push users away from the server even more so than scamming will, because scamming happens to a very small percentage of users on the server while taxes will be 100%. Plus im sure a lot of people aren't down to lose 20% of their money every now and then.

 

Values can be changed those posted there are examples. I think taxes are a fair and effective way to fix the economy and the amount of money per user isn't alot but all together its a big chunk of cash out of the rotation.

 

Regardless the very idea of a tax system will push users away from the server. You know who will hate this more than anyone. The rich. The most active player who have the most money will also lose the most money whenever they are taxed and they will HATE the system. Pretty much the entire server will reject the system especially the active players and the rich players. If you implement a system regardless of the server's opinion you will push users away from the server which is a worse impact to the server than inflation.

 

I believe you are thinking of this.

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The server has never done any tax besides the lotto one to the best of my knowledge.

 

Well that is the way this economy system is designed to work. Its either taxes or inflation and a recked economy in the end. To be honest if you are rich 20k a month is nothing. I am by no means rich but I would play 20k each month and this would not hurt me in any way. If people are so stingy and gready fine but the economy will go down eventualy because of infation.

 

Yes this is what I have been thinking of but I never though of it as a tax just though something like that can be applied to take out money from the economy.