[Suggestion] Make banned users pay USD to get back to the server

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  1. Expipiplusone

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    • Minecraft Name:
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    • Suggestion:
      • Make permabanned users pay USD to get back to the server
    • Reason:
      • Let's be honest, it's too easy to get back right now: you just have to lie saying you're so sorry and that you will never ever again etc etc. This is an incentive to hypocrisy. Obviously this is not working, as we have plenty of multiple offenders around. I'm not saying that this is mods' fault, as I acknowledge that it could be difficult to determine whether an appealer is sincere or not. But for this reason, I think that a mods' impression is not enough. We need to establish a serious and objective deterrent from offending again: my idea is that, to get back from a permaban, you have to pay an amount that grows exponentially with the number of times you have been permabanned:
        • 1st permaban: 10 USD
        • 2nd permaban: 20 USD
        • 3rd permaban: 40 USD
        • 4th permaban: 80 USD
        • 5th permaban: 160 USD
        • etc.
      • Enforcing this would have a number of benefits:
        • This would be a real, solid deterrent against violation of rules;
        • More money and resources for the server;
        • Less work for mods, who would have to scroll over a much limited collection of appeals;
        • Multiple offenders, after a point, will just stop coming back because they can't afford that much;
        • A deterrent which grows with the number of offences is the most fair of all solutions;
        • Of course permaban will be reserved only for serious offence such as scamming, cheating, major grief, etc: for minor offences will be only issued warnings, tempbans, etc.
      • But I'm innocent! It's not fair that I have to pay!
        • If you are truly innocent, you can just appeal normally and prove your innocence: if staff realizes it was a mistake to permaban you (it could happen), you will be unbanned with no consequences and nothing to pay.
      • But there's already the balance and stats wipe! It's not fair that I get to pay in USD as well!
        • Balance and stats wipe is enforced only in a limited amount of cases (it's not enforced for loan scammers, afaik);
        • Your balance amount depends on a number of factors that have nothing to do with your recidivism: you could be at your first offence and have an enormous balance, or you could be at your tenth offence with a marginal balance. Do you think that would be fair?
      • But this makes it easier for the wealthy! It's not fair that I have to pay with real life money!
        • Uhm, hello? We are on an economy server: it's full of people who can fly and do all sort of stuff just because they could afford purchasing the feature. If you think this is not fair, why do you want to come back in the first place?
        • Just like features, you can have someone pay in USD on your behalf in exchange for in-game currency (which you will be able to pay after coming back).
      • But I can't pay them now because I'm permabanned, and they won't pay for me now if I don't pay them ingame first! This is not fair!
        • Well well... it seems you can't find anybody who trusts you, after all. Guess what? You asked for it.
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  2. Pellagia

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    -1 paying for unbans is stupid and only should be used on servers where making money is the only purpose
     
  3. Expipiplusone

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    Uhm... did you actually read the whole suggestion? Or you stopped at the first line?
     
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    As someone who was recently banned, I have to argue against your point where you say that we have to 'lie' when apologising. Yes there are people who are completely fake and are pretending to care that they hurt people, but there are people like myself who are sincere in their appeals and try to not get banned again. It isn't fair to generalise like you did.
    Regarding the suggestion, it's a big -1 from me, I don't see it as being being reasonable to make people pay to be unbanned. Yes we have people pulling money out of their ass to donate to fly etc, but there are people that can't do that, and if they get banned they'll stay that way because they have to pay - these players could be people that end up changing their way and being beneficial to the server and its community.
     
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    -1 from me, makes ECC pay to win, or in this case pay to not lose. People make mistakes, they shouldn't have to dish out USD just to play on the server.

    This also lets those people who are rich get away with things quite easily. I'm not keen on creating an even bigger gap between the poor and wealthy, this applies because you said you can pay ECD for somebody to donate in USD on your behalf.
     
  6. Expipiplusone

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    Did anyone actually read this passage:
    If you think that paying for coming back is not fair, how the hell can you think it fair that you have to pay to place water?
    I myself have 800 USD in features and I'm very proud to say that I've spent not a single cent from real life money. If you really are someone that could change, then have someone pay for you!
     
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    But let's not forget the main point: don't want to pay real life money? Then DON'T GET BANNED. It's as simple as this.
     
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    Yep I did. As above:
     
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    So what? We're going to treat staff as employees of a for-profit company now? When you have unbans be easily purchasable, you're basically saying that "Staff will deal with you as long as you keep paying the Owner" - that is beyond stupid and will discriminate against players based on their Economic standing, both ingame and in real life.

    Why not get staff on payrolls too now!?!

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    +1 to fines -1 to rl money
     
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    "Great. I'm rich and I can get banned without consequence as many times as I want now." G_G
     
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    it's not like the fine replaces being banned...
     
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    Rich players can pay the fine though and get off Scott-free.
     
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    they still have a ban though...
     
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    And they pay the fine and get unbanned easily - you're essentially creating a legal system that caters to the rich and discriminates against the poor.
     
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    Just as long as this isn't a thing where you pay to get back in regardless of what you did to get banned.
     
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    Read the whole thing. My statement is completely valid.
     
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    I said I have 800 USD in features and I've not spent a single cent from real life money. How do you think I got that wealthy ingame? Hard working! For sure not scamming, trolling, cheating and being an idiot like those who get banned. If you're a hard worker and you make a mistake once, you can always come back, regardless of your real life wealth.

    Uhm, do you understand exponential growth? After a point, however rich you can be, it'll start being too much even for you.
     
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    Dat logic
     
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