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    I am suggesting that the moderators and admins should better enforce swears and bad language. It has come to me in the last six months or so that somehow swear enforcement has been less strict. This suggestion is also in no way belittling the work of the admins and moderators, it would just be nice to keep the swears out of the community.
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    This is a great thing to implement back into the community because I personally am friends with many young children who play on this server. The lowest age I have seen so far is nine years old. Usually in my house (and most children's houses) swearing is not tolerated. It would be nice to bring that to the community. Swearing is not justifiable in any means at all. There are many other ways to release your anger in a less barbaric way. Again, this is not trying to belittle the work of any staff. I also scanned the rules on the wiki and came up with a few clauses supporting my claim.

    Clause 3 - Harassment

    • Harassment constitutes as any form of action (chat or game play wise) that makes another player feel threatened or otherwise ruins their game play.
      • Griefing in the wild does not constitute harassment. Harassment in the wild is strictly chat/command based.
    • This includes, but is not limited to; blackmail, bullying or any other form of harassment that occurs through our chat system.
    • Attempting to kill other players in any non-PvP zone also constitutes as harassment, and succeeding in killing other players in non-PvP areas is a very severe offence that will result in a ban.

    Section 4 - Chat, Channels and Discussions
    Clause 1 - General Chat Rules

    • All chat is to go into the appropriate channel at all times. Any user who is consistently not using the correct channel, especially in a way that may disturb those attempting to use certain channels, may be removed from the channel and/or punished. For information about channels and chat commands, please visit our Server Commands page.
    Clause 2 - Vulgarity
    • Inappropriate and vulgar language is not allowed. This includes anything put on signs, said in chat, written in books, renamed to on items (see Section 3 Clause 2.1), spelt out in blocks, or any other way of communicating.
      • Occasional mild to moderate vulgarities that are not directed at anyone (such as "slip-ups" or saying them in the incorrect chat by accident), self-censorship of a swear word or abbreviations that may imply a swear word (ie. WTF?) are allowed unless it is directed at another user.
    • Repeated or excessive swearing, and especially vulgar language directed at anyone, is not tolerated under any circumstance.
    • Racist language or prejudicial language of any sort falls under the vulgarity rule, and is considered a very serious offence, punishment of which may not warrant a warning before being given.


    Clause 3 - Inappropriate/Touchy Subjects and Discussions

    • EcoCityCraft is a server community consisting of many age groups, religious groups, and political backgrounds. As such, there are many touchy subjects that we do not allow in our public channels in order to keep the peace and prevent arguments and flame wars from occurring.
    • All chat must be kept appropriate and clean at all times. There is to be no discussion of anything deemed inappropriate for a workplace, including, but not limited to, sexuality, excessive violence, alcohol/drugs and inappropriate or dark humor.
    • This rule extends into subjects about illegal substances or actions, including drugs.
    • Politics, religion, banned users, and suicide are common “touchy subjects”, however they are not the only ones. Should a staff member ask you to change a subject they feel is touchy and/or is causing the direction of chat to deviate towards an argument or flame war, you must drop the subject immediately.



    Thank you for reading and I would like to remind all that this was made or intending in any shape or form to offend or belittle staff, the owner, or anyone at all. Thank you.
     
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    I think things are fine the way they are, anyone who decides to curse gets dealt with, quickly.
     
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    I agree, it's not exactly getting out of hand, therefore I don't think anything more needs to be done.
     
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    This is the internet. Even if we "better enforced rules" you're still going to get exposed to swearing at one point or another. As well from what I've seen of your opinion on the matter, your definition of a swear word is a lot different than a lot of other people's including the staff's. There's a number of facets of this particular issue, including enforcement procedures, context of word usage, severity of certain words, tolerance of different staff members and users, and the consensus seems to be that it's easier to say we don't care unless you're swearing /at/ someone as opposed to coming up with a list of words, their severity, and tearing apart the English language to become an intolerant state of censorship. It's not worth the effort for the staff, it seriously takes the fun out of everything for both staff and users, and for what? So a couple of nine year olds don't have to see a word or two that may not even be that severe? If you're on the internet, you either accept the risk that you're going to be exposed to some content that may not be as nice as you want it to be, or your parents accept that risk by letting you on the internet. If you have an issue with it, report it if you really think it's that bad, but I find most "cursing" on the server to be pretty mild.
     
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    So far, in response to my suggestion I have gotten many different types of people. I have some that just use some pretty bad language to express their emotions about it, which is what this would help avoid... the same person has been repeatedly telling me to, "stfu". I've been told that this swearing rule has been more strictly enforced as we step into the future. But why does this person, who is speaking in global continue to do this? Nobody has said a word about it, which is very sad for me. If a moderator had messaged him about it and told him to knock it off or warn him about it, it could have helped and he would stop. Putting disdain or contempt for another community members idea into some barbaric slang word that should not be used in public is awful. I loved the way some people expressed their anger or contempt for my idea with words of intelligence and defending their opposing claim correctly! I praise them (@daemosa64 and @Assajj_Ventress and many more) for putting their opinions out there and defending it without swearing. Again, this is in no way an attempt to annoy, anger, or belittle the work of the community, especially the moderators and administrators who run the server.

    Thank you.
     
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    Ok, so I would like to pose the question, "What makes a 'bad word' bad?"

    So, what makes a 'bad word' bad?

    Imo, a "bad word" is only "bad" if used derogatorily. If words are used not towards someone in bad context, like "lmfao" then it is not "bad". It would only be bad if someone used a word like this: "F*** you!" Then it would be considered bad. If it is abbreviated, then no harm done.

    I also believe in education and not sheltering, people all know these words at one point or another, why not sooner? My mother teaches first grade and her students complain about being called stupid and dumb. This just reinforces my point that bad words are only interpreted as derogatory terms.

    So, yeah
     
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    I totally see where your coming from about sheltering and all of that. Now a "bad word" became bad because a person probably, this is only a guess, used a certain word or phrase in a derogatory way to offend somebody. It caught on in society and it is still used today. The problem is that it should not be something that people should be getting used to. More and more I see more and more swears popping up. I was told the other day not to say a certain phrase because it could lead to children finding some nasty content. That's great, awesome that the staff are protecting people from learning about bad content. But we really do not need to have people swearing left and right. Why is it called for? Do people just need to swear? I just think it should be enforced a lot more so that the people who swear stop, and don't do it again. It's just not needed and even if your not using it to be derogatory, why use it at all? I could just say, "Hey man, that's not cool" or "Can you please stop" or shout "Go away!" There is no need for swearing. There is also a saying that I was taught, or a rule to life to live by. If you swear too much, then what use is a swear? People won't take you seriously if you swear too much. Swearing should at least, at the very least, be used at the utmost minimum if you some how have the urge to swear.
     
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    I also just want to point out here, up until I was around 17 I was completely against any cursing, anything remotely sexual in content, and was pretty much what you'd call a stick in the mud and a party pooper in high school when it came to things like that. (a bunch of staff will read this and go "Really? Sky was like that? I don't believe her.")
    I understand where you are coming from in terms of "more conservative people and families would prefer not to have this.", but at the same time I'm also someone who wishes I had been properly exposed to it sooner. In a way, censorship is a fantastic way to create overly sheltered people, because in the real world you are going to encounter just as much if not more cursing than you will on here. Actually I get more cursing from respectable looking customers at work than I have ever encountered from the general userbase on here.

    It took me about 6 months to adjust to dealing with colourful language, and I'm a better person because of it. There's nothing wrong with a little exposure, as long as it's not extensive and parents should be telling their 9 year olds not to be repeating these bad words that they're being exposed to. Good parenting is not the staff's job.
     
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    Yes, this is exactly how I feel about this issue, and I was talking to some others about it. Bad words ONLY became bad because they were used to insult a person or persons varying of race, orientation, gender and various other descriptive traits. I don't think this issue needs more enforcing. When I have children I will we educating them about "bad words" telling them why they are bad, how they became bad, and when if ever it is okay to use them. I believe swears are okay, they can be funny and add diversity as long as they are used in a not derogatory manner and not directed at someone. People call each other bad words among friends, but that is more of an affection thing, they are not insulting each other. I myself use a "swear" for my fiance and I swear at him *shrug* just as an affectionate nickname for him, and a slightly amusing one at that. We get laughs out of it, but it doesn't mean that I'm insulting him. I'm not saying we should go allow it on the server, we are a server of all ages and should respect that, but I also don't believe in attempting to completely censor the chat. I absolutely despise completely censored communities, it takes the fun out it. Those rules are in place to protect the comfort and integrity of our users while on the server, however I do not believe that complete censorship is gonna help anyone. As others have mentioned, the internet is not a clean place, you run the risk of running into a little bit of unsavory sticky patches of gum here and there, and for the internet this server is amazingly clean, I have seen worse, much worse. I am firm where I stand, the enforcement on swearing and inappropriate language is just fine where its at.
     
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    I totally agree @Skylexia but I don't think it should become a habit. I could more say that this thread was posted to cause some awareness to this problem.
     
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    Of course we could never censor the chat fully, not my intention anyway. I just want to basically bring awareness and stop people from swearing so much. You saying that it is an affectionate thing, yes I get it. While in my house it's not okay to swear in other places and times it certainly is. Sometimes people have issues conveying affection or joking around in a chat where people can't see your face, emotions, etc. When you call your fiance a "bad word" you two have an understanding. I don't think you do that in public, or around people you don't know. This is exactly like that. People don't see it as an affection they see it as something else. Of course the internet is not a clean place but we can clean up the gum off our community.
     
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    Also, I am going to sleep because I'm tired. I'll read the posts later in the morning. Thank you for all the passionate responses to my question!

    Night!
     
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    Get over it, swearing happens in everyday life for most people these days, its more commonly used. Its not as if it is discussion of blowing up the world.
     
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    Err.. No.
     
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    This has been suggested 1000 times and like i always say if you dont like hearing it ignore it It is the internet.
     
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    The question of what is a curse word is not agreed upon. The judgement of the staff on what seems to be derogatory seems pretty good, though language does evolve. If you truly feel harassed file a complaint, and the /ignore command is nice when used judiciously.

    For a history of cursing Vsauce on YouTube has a great clip: Why Are Bad Words Bad