Maybe just extra money for killing someone who has a kit spawned? Not extra for winning the entire game because people without kits surprisingly win often and I feel it'd bring a surplus of money into the economy. Im not sure if this is a good idea though. Feedback?

 

I don't believe it will have a positive effect on Kit Users because this will make people target kit users.

You said kit users can benefit from this because they have more opponents to slay. That isn't true because the kit users may not succeed. They are very likely to not succeed because they can't defend themselves well if there are tons of people after them who are hungry for money. If you ask andrewkm to make kits more OP so that the kit users can defend themselves better the non kit users will think it isn't worth it to go after the kit users.

Thats the problem. :/

 

I don't like your original suggestion, for a few reasons:

1. Is it people whom own kits? I own CC and I barely use it
2. Would it be if you win with a kit in use? If it is, I don't believe it can distinguish enchanted vs not enchanted items
3. Would it be determined if you use /kit, if it is I know a HUGE loophole

 

I disagree with the OP. Players who donate do so to gain an advantage, not be put on a kind of blacklist. If non-donors made extra money by winning SG, they would never feel the need to donate, and donating would put them at a disadvantage.

 

This would negatively affect SG and also, what is the real point of this? To attack kit users and take away revenue from Andrew?

 

I don't think this is a bad idea, but I don't know it is technically feasible.

 

-1 while it's a fact a person without a kit will have to work harder to win it's not fair to kitters. As expressed countless times they have payed money for these kits so they have already payed their penalty. There is no point in making a person pay more because of something they have already payed for lol.

-also what if a person kills a kitter and uses the kits? Are they penalized too?

-what about teams where one kitter shares?

-what if there is a game with all kitters?

There are too many different factors that can make this unfair for many players.

 

First of all, this is probably uncodeable. Also, kits have been nerfed on multiple occasions! Your attitude is getting very, very annoying towards this situation. Put down some cash to get an advantage because in the real world bud, that's how it's gonna be.

 

That is perfect logic right there...

Nerfing the kits is nerfing the kits, period. No matter how much you are trying to justify your cause, your argument still is that people who paid money for something should not receive what they paid for, which is a notable advantage over all other players.

 

If non-kit users adapt in order to defeat kit users and kit users adapt in order to defeat non-kit users and defend themselves better people won't donate to buy kits because they see no advantage for kit users or unbalance.

:rolleyes:

 

You're such a hypocrite. Lol.

I think a part people are missing, and maybe I even picked up wrong, is that kitters can kill other kitters for extra cash. Sure it makes you a target, but in the end when you have MIQ, Buffer and spy and do 7 hearts of damage who do you really think will win? Some guy who just joined with a wood sword? No.

Again, I don't mind most kits at all. The problem with SG and kits is MIQ. MIQ ruins every aspect of SG and completely ruins the game. Like knears, you can say whatever you want about having an "advantage". With MIQ, "advantage" is completely sugar coating it. Hardly anyone stands a chance against Buffer + MIQ. It ruins the game. It ruins SG. It turns away new users.

-1 to the suggestion simply because I don't see it needed because most kits that aren't MIQ are not really target worthy. Because at least with those people without kits stand a chance.

 

I'm really confused lol

 

How about getting payed 500$ for killing a kitter? That is using kits of course.

 

MIQ costs $25. For a player to use it every match, they have to pay a total of $75. Buffer is $20, and a total of $60 for the steady use. If someone is willing to pay $135 for perks in a video game, they really do need to have a massive advantage.

If it ruined the game, people would stop playing entirely. However, I think we all know that it really doesn't ruin the game. There are multiple SG arenas, and a MIQ user is not sitting in each one every single match, or even a majority of the matches.

The new users who get turned away probably ought not to be on the server anyway. Why?

1. This is EcoCityCraft, not SG Galore. You play for the economy, and if SG is annoying, just don't do it!
2. Players who complain about donor perks generally are not donors, and most likely do not contribute to the community. Why would the admins care if they leave?
3. Along the same lines as #2, players who ragequit because they lose a match are pretty much always bad community members. There can only be one winner per every SG match, and if all 23 potential losers get mad because the winner had an advantage, tough luck.

To conclude, servers are not free, and the non-donors really have no place in telling the admins that they deserve perks. I am quite happy losing matches to the people who make it possible to be here, and the people arguing for "equality" ought to keep in mind that if these donors did not buy these kits, there would not be a server here to argue about.

 

Don't quote me on this, but I think MIQ itself probably does 6-7 hearts?

This weekend when I played about 5 times there was 2-3 MIQ kitters in each match.

The new users who get turned away probably ought not to be on the server anyway. Why?

1. This is EcoCityCraft, not SG Galore. You play for the economy, and if SG is annoying, just don't do it!
2. Players who complain about donor perks generally are not donors, and most likely do not contribute to the community. Why would the admins care if they leave?
3. Along the same lines as #2, players who ragequit because they lose a match are pretty much always bad community members. There can only be one winner per every SG match, and if all 23 potential losers get mad because the winner had an advantage, tough luck. [/quote] Then we do was advertise as such? SG ADDED! SURVIVAL GAMES ON ECC!

Do all people who join ECC come for SG? Not ALL. It is pretty safe to factor in that SG is one of the most popular minigames on minecraft.
Take a gander: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Ecocitycraft
Notice how one of the more recent spikes begins at February 2013, right after the launch of hunger games: http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/ecc-has-hunger-games.35985/
The next spike begins during June 2013, when more people had the opportunity to play on minecraft. What happened around then?
Take a gander: http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/ecc-survival-games-summer-project-progress.56881/
And now ECC's popularity is declining. Why? Lack of things to do. SG brought in something new, something interesting for everyone to enjoy. It is now sadly pay to win.
New players bring in more donations so it's ignorant to say admins would care if they left.

I understand that yes, donations are required to keep the server running. Hugely overpowered kits are taking away future donation money from users who may actually enjoy playing if they didn't get 1/2 hit KO'd everytime they try to have some fun.

 

MIQ does 3.75 hearts without the other person having armor nor the user with the sword has buffer or a critical hit.