remember that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

I think this is a noble discussion with noble (if lofty) goals

but when it comes down to it

your message gets across better with the stick than it does the carrot

3 day sticks aren't cutting it

and they haven't been for a long damn time

 

my point was that this is more of a carrot approach
and what i would like to see is more of bigger stick approach

 

and that is not to say that this isn't a great idea
it is
we should all be on the lookout for a noble newbie that deserves a bit of attention and help

but honestly, its not going to have an effect on the serial scammers of today.

sure in theory it could make for a brighter tomorrow
but
i aint gonna hold my breath

I help people on the this server and they either a) expect more and then get pissed when i don't give it or b) disappear

 

I completely agree with this. But after a "1 on 1" approach is attempted and it doesn't work. I propose this as the next step.

Kinda irrelevant for me to say this but I don't believe age takes part in your ability to comprehend. Of course, this is very debatable but let's not go off topic.

I don't understand how they can be "badly done" unless false information is given which is extremely rare (yet to see it happen). Any information is a resource and can be taken advantage of.

This is completely understandable. But foreigners (including myself) often face harder/more difficult situations then those who are not. That is also why a lot of foreigners succeed. Instead of those who naturally learn english the easy way, foreigners have to experience difficulty and understand that the world isn't easy/or fair.

I actually go to a very prestige high school (boarding school [exeter.edu]) in the U.S. Learning is based off of discussion/debate and because teachers live on campus, you really know them. They truly are very helpful but even when they want to help, they have to refrain from doing it. Why? Because, you learn better if you do it yourself and not always having someone next to you. By going through it that way, you can truly learn something no matter the condition (even when your teacher leaves you)

I don't want to sound "mean" or "not-caring" as I care very much about a friendly community. I just believe this is the most efficient way to teaching them. Just like saying a strict teacher is "mean". They still care about you and often they care more then those who appear to be friendly but really have no intentions to help.

I'd hate to shove people away. And that's why, as said at the start of this post, I do agree that going on a "1on1" experience could be a start. But in all honesty, if that doesn't work, this should be the immediate next option.

Unfortunately that's difficult to achieve (not impossible), but nearly impossible. You never can maintain a high amount of players and have each of them being a "good" member.

On average, how many new players are able to create a connection, talk to the rest of the population, etc. Close to 7% of them (probably less). I've seen it happen and if it works, the product is amazing. The problem is, it rarely happens and probably won't happen in the near future.

Temporary confusion/frustration is key to helping them understand the "Hardcore" part of the server.


I know this sounds kind of like a heated argument but please don't take it that way. I think we have a common goal, which is to find the perfect solution to reducing scams or to help builders get started. Hopefully through the debate of opinions, we'll find the right balance.

 

I think this is a call to action for everyone to:

ANSWER the questions of builders and residents

to NOT give money to beggars, instead offer them a job or guide them to other money making opportunities

ENCOURAGE self reliance and responsibility

 

But I still want to see the d-bag trying to auction a melon and sword for 50k be kicked for attempting to scam

 

dork1877 My favorite opinionated person of all time. Besides myself... 'cuz I'm obviously better...

 

well im glad we can agree on something
you are better than me

 

Wot... I was kidding, your obvi better... Although I just realized something...





Your 7 months after my join dat on ecc 0.0

 

Literally just noticed that my 1 year anniversary is coming up 0.0

 

mhm...
and
what can i say... i have an opinion on a lot of things. Generally they are strong opinions

 

Greetings,

I may be a culprit in this.

While I don't blindly give money to beggars, I am very "helpful" in the fact I try to "assist" builder/residents with materials, and even mayors to a certain extent. I understand that their a lot of children playing, and I figure if I can make the game a little easier to play in the beginning, they will come to enjoy the place and stay a while. There does always seem to be a point where they either learn or their begging leaves me saying "You need to mine/farm/fish/mine/farm more and stop just chatting all day and doing nothing." That is usually the last step. I really do try to encourage them as much as possible. I have bought many residents mayorship when I feel they are getting the idea of self-sustaining themselves. It is like a graduation present. Perhaps I am too easy on them. I just have a hard time ignoring them.

I would be willing to assist in whatever comes of this. Perhaps it will be benfecial to me as well, so I can learn to say 'no'.

 

you forgot to add "complaining in global about how you are bored"

 

I voted "no". Here's what i think.

The type of people that have low morals (well low morals enough to scam on a video game) are going to end up scamming someone regardless if they were "fed" a little gift from a generous person after begging for money. They will still be the same person when they eventually lead to scamming someone as when they first started playing on the server. Your logic about "feeding the beggar instead of teaching them how to feed themselves" shouldnt reflect onto scammers. I believe that kind of logic needs to be reflected onto those that play the server and then quits after a short time of playing because they realize they are begging for scraps or they simply just lose interest.

The types of people that are asking for handouts are the kinds of people that will simply grow board with the server because they lose interest in trying to make a name for themselves. 9 times out of 10, those people are 13 year old kids that have the attention span of a squirrel, and rarely ever make the effort to succeed in this game on their own. I do, however, agree about helping out those that ask for help. In fact I am one of those people. I never asked for handouts though, I wanted to play this game to be apart of a community and create awesome things to share with the friends I make on the server. When I first started playing this server, I was very confused on what I needed to do to "feed" myself. I asked around, and learned the ropes from those with more experience then me. dork1877 actually is one of the many that significantly helped me out learning the ropes on this server.

When you say "You can feed a person or you can teach that person to feed themselves? " I think who that should more target are those people that are trying to learn the game (like I was a month or so back) instead of assuming they will turn into scammers because they cant figure out how to feed themselves on the server. In my personal opinion, once a scammer always a scammer. Even if they haven't scammed yet. Any well-mannered person with good morals will know that scamming is wrong, and they will do the honorable thing and avoid scamming others. Even if they resort to asking for handouts. They will surely not resort to scamming people once they're begging begins to go dry.

Anyway, thats just me shedding some light on a new perspective on the topic.

Thanks,
~Jorgy

 

i pretty much have to agree with these sentiments
although i do believe in the intent behind the OP
it would make for a better server

 

I have asked for an 85k loan ... even if I didn't reach the 85k for the deadline , I would pay him/her the money I got to pay them back and then collect the rest ... if no one banned me. But I have never scammed. Never . Revan I think This should be shown to Andrew.