Scamming is supposed to happen on ECC, it takes money out of the economy, and is needed.

 

If you refuse to realize that, then this suggestion is going nowhere.

 

The basis of this suggestion is to eliminate the threat of scamming, correct? If it's not, then ignore all of my comments.

The suggestion is therefore pointless, because scamming need to happen! Why do you think the server doesn't refund money that was lost by scams? because the money loss is needed to stabilize the economy.

 

Okay, can you give me a number on how much money it actually takes out of the economy? Because from my understanding larger scams END UP IN LOTTERY or GETS SPENT ON OTHER ITEMS.

The MONEY DOES NOT MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR.

And even if it did, we DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT ACTUALLY TAKES OUT.

I know how much the lottery takes out ($1.1m a day)
I know how much the spawn shop takes out. ($14786.47 a day.)

It may not be much in the case of the spawnshop, but it's DATA WE HAVE


Now if you wish to continnue your stupid argument that states that scamming is necesary then how about you grab data that involves ALL THE VARIABLES.
If the money is in the users balance upon ban, if the user hasn't played lotto and re-distributed the money, if the user paid it back upon unbanning.
You seem to base your argument solely on the assumption that the scammers have all the money they scammed in their balance upon banning and never return to pay it back. Guess what. THEY DON'T and THEY DO.
EDIT: Not everyone returns though, but usually those people spent the money anyway. It's only a rare occasion that money actually disappears.

 

I love your FACTS HAMMER :3 Well if it isn't clear I fully agree with kuke <3

It's the plugging that is used in wynncraft but I cant't see it here because the wynn economy is based on a item (emeralds) so you can give "money". But here we have money stored in our balance so we can't make it an item to trade with it so sorry but I can't really see it :D

Greetings! xD

 

Great, thanks for that information kuke. Why isn't scammed money paid back if a user is unbanned? Tell me that. That will answer your question and argument.

 

According the @xHigh420x, our money system still works with this plugin. Seeing as I haven't actually tested this, I do not know whether this is valid or not. Although I am going to assume that he is correct.

 

users have to pay it back.. I don't even know what you're trying to say in this post...

 

If they aren't unbanned.

 

Yeh.. look at all of my post, and not just the little part you want to (poorly) counter.

Most of the money has gone in the lotto or gets distributed among the users in a different way. Scamming gets done with a purpose, usually to buy something. Lottery tickets being something many want to buy.

So yeh, I already covered that argument. Not sure why you bring it up without any counter arguments whatsoever.

 

Well, if that works i don't see eny reason to say no :D

Changing my vote rigth now!

Greetings and thanks for the information ;)

 

The fire alarm almost went off.

 

Scamming is ethically wrong.

 

So lets just legalize scamming, if it is so needed.
Truth is, there is a reason why it is illegal, which is that it drives users away from the server and it is unfair.
It is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS that you are basically giving a thumbs up to any past or future scammer. Which is what you are doing by saying "it is needed" no.
no.
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If you aren't willing to fight for legalized scamming, DO NOT say it is a good thing for the server. or "needed"
Bleh

 

Using this to support your point is a flaw in logic. I assume you are referring to the highlighted part of the above statement to say that scamming is needed. The truth is that its the first part of that statement that is more effective. More people with money quit the server than anyone else. Some major ecolegends have quit the server. I wonder how many millions of ecodollars they had when they left. Not only that, but COUNTLESS builders who have started on the path to resident, only to quit because it was too hard. There are probably thousands of builders that fall into this category. Not to mention, a famous permabanned user, nicknamed "rockie" was only banned because of exploitation of the economy through macros. Not scamming. And he had what? like 14mil? before Andrew wiped all traces of his existence from the face of ecc. Not to mention many players get banned for other things, like hacked clients, vulgar language, harassment, disrespecting Andrew during a crazy lotto. Grief. The list goes on. So just because they got banned, doesn't mean they were a scammer. All you are thinking is of the honest ECC'er's assets dying with them. And THAT is where the problem lies.

 

Your length of time on this server is irrelevant here. You must back up your arguments with facts and logic.

 

I hate scamming, I've lost a lot of money too it, but that doesn't mean that it's bad.

It's like saying you've died in lava and lost a pick; now, more money comes out of the economy for you to get a new one.

 

This does not demonstrate an understanding of economics. If I pay for a pick and lose it in lava, the person who I bought the pick from still has my money. it doesn't go poof, its in the economy. If I have to spend another 15k for a max pick, that money goes into the economy too. So now I have contributed 30k into the economy by buying 2 max picks. The last 15k going into the economy in ecodollars instead of getting drained from the economy because I would have spent it on town features or a rank. In many instances of the ECC economy, loss of items does not help curb inflation, it just increases inflation because of the spawned in money I use to pay for the replacement.
If I lose a 600k star tool to a scammer, here is what happens. I work really hard to get another one, spawning in another 600k to replace the original 600k tool I lost. This money does not get spawned out of the economy. It goes into the nether star market, which is user-to-user. Essentially, my replacement 600k is added to the economy, not taken out. If the scammer holds on to that star tool when he is banned, he hasn't actually helped out the economy on his end either. He never took money out of the economy on his way out the door. He just took an item. Now, if he sold that tool and lotto-ed the money away, there are now 2 star tools out there (my original star tool and the replacement star tool). 600k worth of lotto money that goes to some lucky winner (at my detriment) and another 600k in the nether star market going to all the people who vote.

Without scam = 600k into nstar market (initial 600k for tool)
1 star tool (my original one)

With scam = 600k into nstar market (Initial 600k for tool)
1 star tool (my original tool, just sold back into the market)
600k in the lotto
600k into the nstar market (again, for the replacement tool)
1 star tool (my replacement star tool)

So please tell me how scamming takes money out of the economy