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  1. RaginDevonian Pro Pokemon Player
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    There is also a fourm pm.
    First, he says I can do what I wish.
    Then he says no to touch anything, but just sell plots.
    I tore down old rugged buildings planning on building new ones that are nicer. He says he uses the town to look at, so I was giving him something to look at. Especially after it has been grieved so hard.
    Among the buildings I tore down, where things I built myself. I am only trying to restore the town, which I thought I could do. There are times where this user was gone for months at a time, never even talking to me, now after running this place for 2 years he removes me? I am disappointed in you apple.
     
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    Well, this is my version:

    I hired RaginDevonian as town assistant 2 years ago. The town then went inactive as I moved onto other projects. I didn't see much after the town, only took a look at it once in a while looking at the buildings that were made by different people back in 2013. Those buildings kinda ment something to me, as they were built almost 3 years ago when I got my first town.

    Then recently RaginDevonian pmed me saying that he wanted me to sell the town and give the money to him, because he needed money. I said that I didn't want to give away my town, but that he could sell apartments and available plots in the town if he wanted to, as long as he didn't take down any of the buildings in the town. He told me it was fine and promised me to not touch it.

    And today i found out to my surprise that pretty much the whole town has been wiped by him. And my first mayor town that I wanted to stay for nostalgia reasons is pretty much gone/drastically changed. This despite his promises to not touch the town.

    I guess I could file a grief report, and I would. But this happened more then 7 days ago and does not show up on the log block.

    So how RaginDevonian is disappointed in ME after all this is a mystery to me...

    And then also filing a complaint agains ME to FORCE his plan thru is just sad. You know i dont want you to destroy my town, yet you keep trying by filing a complaint on me?

    Edit: Thanks for the support and all the In game and forum Pm's. Im already planning to rebuild the town back to its old fashioned shape :)
     
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    I'm sorry if this is an irrelevant post but I have to say that Ragin was trying to make the town how it was before. Populated. He wanted your town to be a place that people would want to live at again. I think it is really ungrateful to remove him for trying to re-build YOUR town. On the other hand I'm not just siding with him because he is my friend but i really think that no complaint was needed here. But back to supporting him, you said two years ago. He probably didn't remember every single thing you and him talked about.
     
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    Well first, Not even close to the whole town is gone. Just a few old houses from long long ago. Again, some of those I built myself. I left all his big builds like yachts. I just wanted a place to build new plots like you told me to do? Your orders always contradicted each other. And also, you never pm'ed me, were off the server for months, and now all of the sudden it's my fault? I can't create new plots where old things existed. I have cleared only like a 70x70 ish place out of your whole 200x200. I don't see what is wrong here. This town was dumped on me 2 years ago and I wanted to make something out of it. I asked you once if I could sell because someone was going around buying old towns. It deserves a second chance. When you said no, I took it upon myself. 2 years ago, you never said anything about being nostalgic and wanting nothing to change. I have started creating new plots, and you never knew because you were always inactive.
     
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    Not sure what you are trying to achieve? Its pretty clear what I want isn't it? I want my town to stay as it is.

    This was the last message from you when we last talked, where you promised me not to touch any buildings.
     
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    He's ungrateful for his employee destroying his work? You're ignorant for not even acknowledging the fact that Apple specifically stated not to do anything with the preexisting buildings, yet he went ahead and did so.

    60 Minutes did a great episode about how American Superconductor was destroyed by types of incidents like this. I suggest you learn the facts before trying someone in a jury of public opinion, because that destroys people's reputations, and is flat out disgusting.
     
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    That message was sent after we already started. You would know this if you didn't disappear for months at a time. I thought you already knew what was going on, but since you don't here's what is:

    1) @Losing_Lotto and myself have torn down our old plots, and plots of BANNED users.
    2) We are building new plots where we have torn down already. Everything else is staying.
    3) I am expanding the project you started behind the apartments. I making a better water area.
    4) The town was un-useable as it was. We haven't torn down ANYTHING of yours. All the buildings that are gone didn't belong to you. (That is, weren't built by you)
     
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    Could YOU not post without the facts.
     
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    "Not touching anything" refers exactly to not touching anything, which you went ahead and did. Whether you tore down buildings of banned users or Apple's is irrelevant, you broke the contract between you and him by tearing down some buildings, and possibly more.

    You admitted to doing exactly what you said you didn't do, and I don't think @appleprocucling nor the rest of the server will take that very lightly.
     
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    I couldn't undo what I had already did. He said I was allowed to do as I please in the first fourm pm. (Again, you posting without facts) so I did as I pleased. Again, I thought he knew what I was doing, but apparently not. That "I will not touch it" meant I won't do anymore then what I already had planned. I'm done now. I thought he knew my plans because I had mailed him about it a few times and got him in game, which was a miracle considering how much time he spends online compared to offline.
     
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    Look if you had seen the buildings you would agree with me that he was doing the best he could to make the town livable again. Someone made a freaking PARKOUR map the town was so destroyed.
     
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    That does not give you nor @RaginDevonian the prerogative to destroy parts of the town. And please, upload the entire conversation if you believe I am missing something, but to me it is quite clear you both went behind @appleprocucling back and destroyed some properties that he clearly stated not to destroy.
     
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    Look i had no idea that a forum conversation was involved. I was banned at the time and came back and agreed with him that the town needed to be fixed. I didn't know that @appleprocucling wanted thing left alone
     
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    There will be no more irrelevant posts on this complaint.

    Futher irrelevant posts will result in a forum warning.

    This is your only warning.
     
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    I dont want to sink down to a level of pointless arguing, but I just want to say that what you are saying is wrong. I have not been inactive for months at the time. I was offline for about 3-4 weeks when I was on vacation the summer last year, but other then that I have been very active the last 3 years. I even visited the town 2-3 weeks ago (over a month after that convo) and the town was still intact. @minecraftninja05 can confirm as I was giving him a town tour telling him the stories behind all the old buildings (which is now gone forever). This means that you wiped the buildings weeks after that convo took place. So dont try to defend yourself on lies/misleading facts, thats just lack of class.

    Edit: Sorry icondigi, I posted this literally the same second as you.
     
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    Thank you @RaginDevonian for posting this complaint.

    So to start off, let's look over the rules regarding evictions.

    Clause 3 - Seizure of Property & 3 Day Eviction Notices
    • By owning the town, a town Mayor has the right to remove you from the town at any time, for any reason, so long as the Mayor gives the user a 3 day eviction notice.
      • An eviction notice may be given by in-game (either by PM or /mail) or by tagging evicted users in a thread in the Town Evicitions sub-forum within the Towns Discussion forum. It is not required to post a thread for any eviction, although it may be easier if you are evicting multiple users.
      • The eviction notice must contain the name of the town. Be sure to collect evidence of this for LWC Removal Requests and/or proof should it be required at a later date. It is crucial that the screenshot has a timestamp (double tap f2).
      • If the user being evicted has LWCs in the town and the Mayor intends to file an LWC Request to have them removed, the eviction notice must include a specific request that the user removes their locks within the 3 days.
      • The evicted user must have had the opportunity to view the eviction notice. If the user has not been online, in-game or on the forums depending on how the eviction notice was issued, during the 3 day period then the eviction is not valid. The mayor or co-mayor must wait until the user is inactive (at least 7 days offline) or has been online to view to the notice before removing the user from the town or filing an LWC Removal Request.
    • Only the Official Owner or the Legal Owner of the town may evict players who are region owners/co-mayors.
    • However, under the following circumstances, the 3 day eviction criteria need not be met and the user may be removed from the town:
      • A user is inactive (by staff standards, this means at least 7 days offline.)
      • A user who has been banned for griefing in the town or warned by a staff member as a result of a Grief Report
      • Players added to the region for a specific job upon completion of work or termination of employment

    The things I've highlighted in green, are things @appleprocucling has done right, or they are things just a reminder of the eviction rules.

    Regardless of this back and forth, "he did this, he did that" conversation. Appleprocucling has followed the the eviction notice rules, if you were hired to build, or to live or anything else within the town he has a right to remove you at any time so long as an eviction notice has been made.

    After reviewing the given evidence, he has mailed you regarding an eviction notice therefore he is following the eviction notice rules. I cannot take any action on you destroying or removing houses as there was no specific contract made, however if this is wrong feel free to post another complaint with evidence of a contract of sorts.

    Seeing as this is your complaint, and you have filed as you believe you were wrongly evicted, and there are no real rules broken here. This complaint will be dismissed, as you have been given an eviction notice.

    However, for the other things stated in this thread, such as @appleprocucling providing his side of the story. Action will not be taken on that, as there is no given evidence. However, apple if you feel the need to post another complaint you may do so, but this complaint will now be dismissed and locked.

    Complaint Dismissed.
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