[User Complaint] iTzXtremeGaming

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  1. LJKAzrael

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    Felon Username:
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    Complaint:
    Loan Scamming
    @iTzXtremeGaming failed to repay $725,000 for a $500,000 loan. The late fees bring it up to a total of $746,000.

    As @7amoodw has filed a complaint, I thought it prudent that I should follow suit, if only to have it on record. I personally do not want the user banned, as it is of no benefit to me. Between 7amoodw and myself, the user owes $1,521,000; a sum that will not easily be repaid. There are a few variables that I would like to have confirmed regarding other outstanding debts (owed by and owed to the user) and assets all of which play a part in his ability to repay.

    @Chundi_Jr has ITzXtremeGaming payed the $1?5,000 he owed by 8-24-15?
    @wenxuan100 has ITzXtremeGaming payed the $650,000 he owed by 8-26-15?
    @ihazpiez87 (currently banned) has ITzXtremeGaming payed the $150,000 he owed by 8-28-15?
    @JoshCraft_FTW has ITzXtremeGaming payed the $300,000 he owed by 9-07-15?

    @PheonixTails have you payed the $115,000 you owed iTzXtremeGaming by 9-11-15?
    @luxuriantspy5 have you payed the $400,000 you owed iTzXtremeGaming by 8-25-15?

    @xXNetherXx and @Ninjaboy3113 does ItzXtremeGaming own a partial stake in an Eff7 with the two of you? Who /own s the tool?

    To those of you tagged, please keep responses succinct, only to answer the questions posed. This is not the place for a discussion.
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    I try my best to keep all my business confidential, but the user has pushed this situation far enough. I apologize in advance to the staff if I should not have tagged so many users, but I believe they all have information relevant to the issue at hand and to how it will be handled. As always, thank you all for your time and commitment to this server.

    Regards,
    LJKAzrael
     
  2. Chundi_Jr

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    I have no clue why I am tagged in this but yes, he has indeed paid it back and if he had not I would have filed a complaint myself.
     
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  3. myminecrafter01

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    @iTzXtremeGaming Please answer to this complaint. Have you paid back @LJKAzrael? If you have please provide evidence to prove you have paid back the full amount. If you haven't paid @LJKAzrael please explain why?

    I'm going to give you 24 hours to respond.
     
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  4. iTzXtremeGaming

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    I'm going to give back the same answer that I gave on 7ams complaint.

    I'm trying man, I'm really trying, but real life comes first, and im super busy and not able to find enough time to play right now.

    I'd like to work something out.

    Edit; what's it to you about my other loans? Please don't do that again as it comes off very disrespectful. Ihazpiez has not paid me, Phoenix has, Lux has, 3point has not paid me, and I've worked out extensions with Josh and Wenx.
     
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    #4 iTzXtremeGaming, Sep 17, 2015
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  5. myminecrafter01

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    @LJKAzrael Are you prepared to renegotiate the terms of the loan repayment with @iTzXtremeGaming and create a contract with the new terms?
     
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    As for the eff 7, nether owns it, he has allowed both me and itz to use it, and if mods deem this irrelivent please do let me know so I can remove it
     
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    Well, I sold said eff7 a short time ago...
     
  8. LJKAzrael

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    I am willing to renegotiate. @iTzXtremeGaming, I apologize that asking about your financial situation was felt as disrespectful. "What's it to [me]?" Unfortunately, as you are indebted to me, it has become my business. It was necessary to get an understanding of what payments and what time frame would be realistic. That being said, I would like to know what payments you are making to JOSHCRAFT_FTW and wenxuan100 and over what period, as you have said you negotiated extensions. With this information, I believe we can reach mutually agreeable terms that will provide you with the time to repay not just mine but all of your debts.

    Outstanding debt: $2,471,000

    Outstanding credit: $265,000

    No star tools. Main source of income will be SG and lotto.
     
  9. iTzXtremeGaming

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    I believe I have '2 weeks or more, take ur time mate' with Josh, as he is a very understanding and great guy, as is wenxuan who I believe negotiated that he would like his money within 3 weeks of the day I got unbanned, (yesterday).

    I'm willing to work out a whole payment schedule, where I can aim for maybe a target a week and make it and put it in the signs for all of you.
     
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    Yes. I did indeed
     
  11. LJKAzrael

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    "Renegotiate." I think all the parties involved need to re-evaluate and renegotiate themselves. I ran the numbers.

    Assumptions: iTzXtremeGaming acccepts 7amoodw 's new terms (paying back 925k by 10-02-15), the amount due to JOSHCRAFT_FTW will be paid 2 weeks from date of being unbanned, the amount due to wenxuan100 will be paid 3 weeks from the date of being unbanned. Calculations are based on a start date of 9-18-15.

    300k ($25,000.00 per day) to be paid to @JoshCraft_FTW by 9-30-15
    925k ($66,071.43 per day) to be paid to @7amoodw by 10-02-15
    650k ($34,210.53 per day) to be paid to @wenxuan100 by 10-07-15
    1000k ($47,619.05 per day) to be paid to @maroiogog by 10-09-15

    Amount of revenue necessary to generate per day:
    $172,901.01 from 9-19-15 to 9-30-15 (12 days)
    $147,901.01 from 10-01-15 to 10-02-15 (2 days)
    $ 81,829.58 from 10-03-15 to 10-07-15 (5 days)
    $ 47,619.05 from 10-08-15 to 10-09-15 (2 days)

    Note that these figures represent how much money he would need to make per day between the specified dates.
    This is without adding in the 746k I am owed.

    @Zedoker do you actually think it is realistic for iTzXtremeGaming to agree to 7amoodw 's deal? Do you think that these daily payments are reasonable?

    7amoodw do you think he can make payments like this? Do you want the money or do you want him banned?

    Am I the only sensible person here? The only one with a calculator? iTzXtremeGaming has no star tools and, as he has restated frequently, limited time. It is obvious to me that these debts will take about 2-3 months to repay fully. Unless we all come to some mutual agreement, extending the terms of the loans by a few weeks will just bring us back to this same scenario, with a few weeks wasted.

    @iTzXtremeGaming do you have use of any star tools currently? Are you willing to sell features to offset your debt? Do you have anything ingame you can sell?

    "Contract Writing Guidelines & Tips
    3. Other Considerations
    Strenuous Repayment Deadlines
    Staff are instructed to not accept contracts which impose ridiculously stringent repayment deadlines. As a general rule of thumb, when scamming appeals are being handled we aim for roughly 15-20k per day over any prolonged periods of time. Have this in mind when you are writing a contract."

    I'm a fairly easy-going guy. All I want is the 746k. We know what he needs to pay back. I would ask that the staff set some reasonable amount of time for the user to work with.
     
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    Just wanted to add, but 66k a day for someone who has struggled to get online for a long period is extremely hard. I couldn't make that unless I spent at least 5 hours melon farming
     
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    Sorry I haven't responded to this. I am fine with giving ITZ as many MONTHS THAT HE NEEDS to get me my 300k. Keep it cool! - Josh
     
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    @LJKAzrael You're absolutely right. Under normal circumstances a large loan repayment in such a short period would not be approved but it doesn't mean it can't. If a player believed they are capable of fulfilling a strenuous deadline then it can be approved.
    In this case iTzXtremeGaming has had the original loan period to repay plus almost a further month, plenty of time. It has been iTzXtremeGaming lack of discipline when it come to sportsbook and lotto that has landed him in this position. This hasn't just affected iTzXtremeGaming it is also seriously affected those who he owed money. If iTzXtremeGaming wants to continue playing on ECC then he's going to have to put in a lot of hard work. Currently I'm not convinced iTzXtremeGaming is serious about paying back his debt, today I witnessed iTzXtremeGaming putting 33k into the lotto, despite knowing he is in a lot debt. @iTzXtremeGaming I want to know, are you serious about paying back your debts? Are you prepared to stop gambling until you debts are paid?

    @LJKAzrael I'm going to let you decide how long you would like to give @iTzXtremeGaming to pay back the debt. I would suggest between 4 and 6 weeks. This would give 2 weeks to pay 7amoodw and a further 2-4 weeks to pay you back. It will be up to @iTzXtremeGaming to renegotiate the other loans.
     
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    I am serious about this debt, but honestly i was lottoing my spare change because I am not taking 7am's deal, and i will be taking a ban for it and appealing later. I want a fresh start, as all this debt has caught up to me eventually and i just don't have the time.
     
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    I'll give @iTzXtremeGaming 5 weeks to pay the 746k beginning today on 9-18-15. This will amount to $149,200 a week or $21,314.29 a day. As he has stated that he will be, "taking a ban... and appealing later," I don't think that this extension will make a difference.

    iTzXtremeGaming, when you owe players ~$3.5 million, you have no "spare change."

    My suggestions:
    After renegotiating the terms of these loans, I propose a forum ban for iTzXtremeGaming (preventing sportsbook betting) and disabling his ability to buy lottery tickets (it must be possible as bugs involving 16 character names have done so). If the user is truly serious about repaying his debts, I believe he will find these terms acceptable. Agreeing to these terms would also be a sign of good faith that the user is serious about paying back his debt.
     
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    As per my previous response on 7am's complaint.


    Seeing how this user is currently banned, I will add your loan scamming to his ban reason, should he appeal he will be required to pay what he owes.

    Locked. Ban Reason Updated.
     
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