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    Initially I thought the area was near a stronghold however StanleyMines admitted to duping the "silverfish blocks". I asked again to clarify this and then asked why he did it, which he responded "idk". He soon asks "do you need to train mcmmo?" which may had been the reason he wanted to create so many silverfish (however I'm not quite sure what mcmmo skill he would be training this way).

    From the pictures, there is a small hole where the silverfish were trapped. Once teleporting me in, he proceeded to break the blocks near where I was and move away from it. Each time I moved away, he would start dragging them towards me again.

    This is mostly speculation but I remember seeing in global chat that KiritoMC was asking about what if an user was attempting to kill them in the mining world using mobs. I've seen KiritoMC and StanleyMines before together, in the mining world so despite not having any screenshots of this I thought this may had been relevant.

    I think StanleyMines may had been trying to kill players, by creating mass hordes of silverfish, in the mining world. From the screenshots, the coordinates should be visible and the logs should show StanleyMines breaking the blocks where the silverfish were and if possible to tell what kind of block it was, I'm sure that the missing blocks inside the pit were "silverfish blocks" that may have been duped.


    EDIT: This is a past ban appeal by StanleyMines for "Attempted Murder in Mining World".
     
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    @idkhowtoplay
    Thank you for reporting this. I will be looking into this situation.
    @StanleyMines
    Please explain your side of the story in regards to this situation.

    Left Open for 24 hours to hear @StanleyMines 's side of the story.
     
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    I asked if idkhowtoplay wanted to see something crazy, then i tped him onto a piller with a bunch of silver fish on it. then i jumped off and started getting hit by them in the hole there. afterwards, i broke part of the wall in the side of the hole so i could run out and get ahead of them, turn around and kill them. idk jump off/walked off the pillar, and was attacked by some of them. later, for more exp from killing them, i broke silverfish spawner stone, and kill them. Idk pmed @cracker228989 who later came by and asked what this dup thing was, and that i should try reloging. I explained that if you walk away, and let silver fish go back into stone, then its a stone silverfish spawner block. then if you break it, it spawns 2 more. in doing so, you "Duplicate" the silver fish. cracker228989 said that she saw no harm in this, and that i should file a bug report later. I have not gotten around to doing that, and thats about it.

    EDIT: idk left before cracker228989 tped to me.
     
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    that was that i was upset with that guy for something about a spawner, and I was trying to annoy him by him having to get out of that hole. the reason i got banned, was that i put water there for him to get out.
    Also, because of this, I will not apply for president until this is over. (cracker knows i have gotten to the amount for pres.)
     
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    I was teleported to one side of the "silverfish pit". You weren't inside the pit at all. In fact you moved to the opposite side and you were breaking blocks while holding shift on the other side of the broken blocks. Only a few silverfish came out so after breaking the blocks, you jumped in and then dragged them towards me and walked behind me. I didn't see any indication of you getting damaged until you jumped in yourself.

    Also after the commotion, I investigated the area. It seemed as though most of all the surrounding blocks all had silverfish in it. StanleyMines broke more silverfish blocks afterward to demonstrate this and they released the typical 2 silverfish. Within a a minute, a silverfish swarm was made again and I decided to teleport out of the area for safety. I then contacted Cracker the rest I'm not sure what happened afterwards. I was told to talk to clou afterwards after which I was instructed to file a complaint.
     
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    the second "swarm" i wouldn't call a swarm, it was more like 10 compared to 34. just saying. I didnt walk past you, and some of the silver fish just decided to go after you rather than me.

    EDIT: i meant i didn't walk threw you to get them to attack you. If i was attempting to kill someone, i would have a LOT more there, like 100+ silverfish, and tp them directly into the silverfish.
     
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    I was ~5 blocks away from the pit at that point and moved to where you stood to break the blocks opposite. You then proceeded to walk directly towards me after using the stairs to get out. It's not like I was close enough for them to start targeting me randomly. I should also note it was the entire swarm, not just "some". Also, no you wouldn't have waiting inside a pit of 100+ silverfish that because you would have possibly died in the process. You sent a request to me, meaning that you'd have to wait for me to accept it. What I found strange was the fact you broke blocks to allow them outside of the pit on my side and decided to jump in and pull them to me after I moved. That's why I think that it was intentional.

    The issues I'm having here is (1) Why did you teleport me "onto a piller with a bunch of silver fish on it" and why did you start breaking more blocks near me that could've had silverfish in it? and (2) Why were you "duping" silverfish and telling me instead of a staff member?
     
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    ""onto a piller with a bunch of silver fish on it"" the silver fish were around it, and the piller was 2 or 3 block tall. i have no idea about the jumping in and running towards you, and why would I jump in to get hit?
    Well, originally, it WAS a staff member the told me to be careful, because of the silverfish multiplying. I dont remember the name because i was a BUILDER when i was told that.
     
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    If what you really want is an apology, I am sorry about what happened, and I am sorry that we had to go through this. I hope we can be friends again.
     
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    I'm not sure what you're saying here. I've already explained that you broke blocks near me, I moved because silverfish were leaving the "piller" (which is really more of a hole/pit) and after that, you jumped in and dragged them towards my area and walked behind me. I understand the concept of silverfish being in an area but typically the amount that was concentrated in that area and the fact that every single exposed block i touched seemed to have silverfish inside of it, leads me to believe that you weren't just showing something "crazy". What that staff member said is correct, that silverfish can break new silverfish blocks and increase the swarm, if they touch or move on top of it. I highly doubt that they told you to go duplicate multiple silverfish blocks in an area and teleport someone into it and break more blocks. What you were doing was intentionally breaking more blocks nearby me to allow the silverfish in the two block deep hole out, create more silverfish, and draw it towards me for what I assume was to kill me in a non-pvp zone. In the past response, you go back on some things I've already addressed such as the reason why you jumped into the pit after creating a safe passage for yourself to jump out along with a way to draw the silverfish swarm to me. I know I'm writing a lot but I'm trying to describe the situation. If you could acknowledge some points or argue them, I'd appreciate it.

    I'm not looking for an apology here. I sincerely believe you were trying to kill me and possibly other players. Additionally choosing to not inform a staff member of the bug I don't believe was right.
     
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    There was a pit, and i beivie there was a piller in the pit. Also if i was trying to get them toswarm you then how come i jumped in after, and killed them? I beleive that was after you left. Also its no where close to every block. Right where after we move away maybe the few blocks right where they were, and they all burrowed in. Everywhere else was more like one in20-100 blocks. I never said a staff told me to break more to make a swarm, i said that a staff told me to be careful withit.
     
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    Also as soon as you saw that "i was pulling the swarm to you" you could have quickly done /spawn or /home. In none of you pictures does it show me lureing the obviously twards you. You also never told me to stop anything i was doing, so...
     
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    Also i dobt see how that is an explot giveing players an unfair advantage.
     
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    2 images show me comeing closer to you, possibly at that point, i was unaware they were following me, and then there is never any screenshot showing that they attacked you, hence, you or me killed them befor it hit anyone. Another possibility is that it fell into that pit there, their ai would make them walk right in as for the second screenshot of the two.
     
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    Ok, He doesn't have to tell you to stop doing something, if what you are doing is wrong and illegal.
     
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    When you teleported me to the area, there was only a pit with silverfish at the bottom. You didn't jump in after to kill them and only defended yourself when they attacked you directly. "Every block" may have been a little bit of an exaggeration however it was definitely an abnormal amount of silverfish blocks in an area that was not a stronghold. It is clear that it was an unnatural occurrence and intentional. I also never said that staff had told you to do what you did, I said: "I highly doubt that they told you to go duplicate multiple silverfish blocks in an area and teleport someone into it and break more blocks." I don't understand why you brought up that a staff member informed you about the dangers of silverfish when I was asking you to explain why you were duplicating the silverfish blocks.

    The reason I didn't do this is, or grab any screenshots is because I was starting to panic. When someone starts breaking blocks that potentially could allow a swarm of contained silverfish come near you, your first thought is not "I need to screenshot my demise" or "I should type /home". The first thought I had was to move away. After doing so, you jumped in and pulled their attention towards me and left me to deal with it. While watching you jump into the pit I typed /eec to grab my sword. At this point, I was still dumbfounded and trying to make sense of why you would release the silverfish. But it was when you were facing me and walked past me and left me to deal with the swarm, I started to doubt you. Even with the sword and armor, it wasn't easy dealing with the giant swarm while you were breaking even more silverfish blocks. It was only after I finished killing the swarm did I try questioning you. After I saw you were starting to make a second swarm, I left. I still didn't fully grasp the situation and was trying to figure out what to do. The reason I filed a complaint is because in retrospect, all these actions point to trying to kill me. I also know that if I had not had enchanted armor or an enchanted sword, the likelihood of my survival would be low if none. Another user who found themselves in this predicament may have died as well. The biggest issue I had with this is why did you break those blocks and release the silverfish if we were both "safe" and why did you pull the swarm towards me and leave me to fight them off? I read the Ban Appeal and Revanrose6 states that you broke blocks beneath and placed water above, while you claimed to be trying to help him up. He died as a result of that action, which is the same thing here. What if I had died due to the silverfish? Why did you teleport me into an area like this with the vague message along the lines of "Wanna see something crazy?" and then release those silverfish inside the pit and create even more after. Even if your actions weren't done with ill intent, it doesn't change the fact that these actions could lead to killing in a non-pvp zone.

    I think you were using this exploit as a means to kill users in a non-pvp zone (mining world). You stated above that "If i was attempting to kill someone, i would have a LOT more there, like 100+ silverfish, and tp them directly into the silverfish" stating a specific method in which this could be giving a player an "unfair advantage". The execution wasn't exactly successful however the similarity being is that you gathered a large amount of silverfish and unleashed it on a player.

    As stated above, I'm sorry I do not have the screenshots of the original swarm or when you broke blocks or started walking towards me and started running away and breaking other blocks. However, hopefully my account of the situation is enough to collaborate with the block logs which note times of when blocks are broken and possibly the type of block broken. In the screenshot shows a few silverfish which you created after the large swarm was disposed of.

    As a side note, you can use the "edit" button which should be on the bottom left of your post if you have more to add.
     
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    I'm not sure if this is necessary but, I had a situation like this yesterday, I believe that it's the same location and a similar cause. But the person attempted to kill me wasn't Stanleymines. Since I lacked sufficient evidence and didn't carry valuable items when I died, I didn't fill out a complaint of that player (jzpimpin101).
     
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    If you died, id kill the rest, teleport you back, and apologize over and over, probably pay you 5K+ because of the hassle, let you get you stuff, and buy you any exp that you had before hand.
    Edit: (Or if you wanted, tp you back, then kill the rest.)

    I still don't see how you would call this an unfair advantage, if they were all attacking one player, the other player, then yes, but since i was there first, most were following me, so it would give me a DISADVANTAGE, not an advantage. Also more would be following me because i was closer at the point when i jumped down. Also, if i was tying to kill you i could have also gone to my zombie spawner, let 20+ spawn, tp you in there, let them all kill you and take your stuff. Zombies do a LOT more damage than silverfish.

    If you were walking away from them, then why dint you fly up? you have fly, the roof is 3 blocks tall, and in a lot of places 4-6 blocks tall.

    If you didn't have good armor, you could have ran away, or if you were new, you probably would do "/spawn" as soon as you saw the possible threat.

    I was wondering, why did you jump off/walk off the piller in the first place?

    Sorry for all of this. :(
     
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    I didn't think you were trying to kill me initially however after thinking it over your actions were very mysterious and the only reason you would have done so is if you were attempting to bring the silverfish to attack me. I fought the silverfish swarm in the beginning because I was working under that assumption and was trying to help you from dying.

    Perhaps "advantage" isn't the most clear term to describe what you did so I'll use the word "abuse". You abused how silverfish worked to make a death trap. This is unfair because I had no idea what you were teleporting me to. You never gave me fair warning. When you jumped into the pit you dragged them towards me and left me to fend for myself. I already explained that part. It's not "unfair" for you because you intentionally created the silverfish, intentionally released them and intentionally jumped in after doing so. Also the fact that it was not successful does not negate the other facts (i.e. teleporting me to the area, releasing the contained silverfish near me, etc.) Just because you apparently know a plethora of methods of using mobs to kill players and you didn't utilize a "better" one, doesn't make this any less of an attempt to kill a player in a non-pvp zone. You assume that I should have done many things like type /spawn and fly away but there shouldn't had been an artificial situation like this to begin with. Had this been a stronghold, I would have felt differently about the situation but you created the silverfish swarms and made it a dangerous area. The advantage for you would be that a player dies, you clean up the remaining few since you kept your distance the entire time, and retrieve your loot.

    There was no pillar. There were two pits, one of which contained the first swarm which you let out. The second pit had no silverfish in it until after the first swarm was killed off, at which point you started trying to create even more silverfish. You should note that a 3 block high area, even with fly would not be high enough to evade a silverfish. I did have speed and fly on at the time I was questioning you, I used them to evade the extra swarm(s) you created, and later used my /home command to get out of the area.

    If possible, I'd appreciate if you answer my next question(s): Why did you create so many duplicated silverfish and what was the purpose of amassing a large swarm of silverfish? I know you said "idk" before but I don't believe that was truthful. Also if you scroll up, if you could acknowledge or answer the two questions in my second reply I'd appreciate that too. I'll post a quote below for easy reference.
     
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    1) the silver fish were around it, so it was safe. untill someone jumps down, or break the piller.
    2) well as i have already said, a staff member knew for sure, and they told me about it.
    3) Reason for doing it. I really do not know why I was doing it... I cant think of a reason. To show someone maybe?... i dont know.
     
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