Each of the 3 definitions align with what the rule says. With each of the definition you buy "a chance" or "a ticket" in each case, it's the same. "A ticket" is just a more specific way of saying "a chance" It's the same. So what's being meant with a raffle is any random chance game where you have to buy your "chance". The rules are pretty clear on this "any type of raffle or lottery that requires a buy-in" So any game where you have to purchase your "chance" beforehand is illegal according to the rules. If there's a casino game with a "chance" or "ticket" system then you are not allowed to require people to buy their "chance" before you know whether you win or lose.
This, honestly. It's not that hard to understand, at all. Tickets ARE chances, lol. You buy a chance into the raffle and win a prize FROM that raffle. It's not hard at all to understand, and I'm not for making the rules even more complex for something that's quite easy to understand.
So all casinos are illegal: in every game you buy a chance to win. That's the very point of every game in every casino. No but wait, didn't you just say this: I am under the impression that you yourself have not a clear idea of what is allowed and what is not, given your inconsistencies. Which proves my point that this rule is all but clear
purchasing "a chance" is different from playing roulette or anything. Rule of thumb: If it looks like the lottery, it's illegal. (the ECC Lottery) And if you're unsure, ask a staffmember.
A raffle/lottery is where you POLL your money in for a CHANCE to WIN the poll. That's not roulette or whatever.
How the f**k is playing roulette not buying a chance to win? You basically bet on the occurrence of a number that has a given chance to appear. A very popular casino game is betting on the color of a wool block thrown out by a dispenser. There's, say, 4 stacks of red wool and 5 stacks of black wool in the dispenser. you win double of what you paid if you get red, you lose if you get black. You have a 4/9=44.44% chance of winning. If you bet $500, you are basically buying a 44.44% chance of winning $1000. You are buying a chance. Every bet is a purchase of a chance to win more than what you bet. That's the very definition of bet. So, instead of making the rules more clear once and for all, let's just make sure that staff has to be continuously asked about the correct interpretation of a poorly written rule. Dat logic. (also: how would staff be supposed to know the correct interpretation of the poorly written rule in the first place?)
It is pretty clear it's referring to a lottery. I really do not see what's so confusing about it. It's either raffle/lottery, or it's not. In fact, the lottery on ECC is EXACTLY what you are not allowed to do by yourself. The rule is NOT confusing. You're just confusing yourself. Anyone who googles "raffle definition" or "lottery definition" is going to get the same result. Because google shows it to you right at the top of the list. It's useless arguing about it.
You didn't answer to my point. You completely avoided it, actually. Here is it again: Therefore, if every "purchase of a chance to win" (that's the third definition of raffle) is illegal, then all casino games are illegal as well. How the hell can you justify the existence of casinos, without clashing with the third definition of raffle?
The third definition says, and I quote: "A LOTTERY in which each participant buys a chance or chances to win a price" "Lottery" makes it pretty obvious how it's not a freaking roulette game. And "a chance or chances" makes it pretty obvious it's referring to tickets. I already answer your question way before, but you just didn't understand what I meant. lol.
And guess what's the definition of lottery? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lottery 2nd definition. This is the most wicked interpretation of the word chance I could ever hear. But you know what? I'm sick of arguing pointlessly. From now onwards, I will report every single casino, until the rule will be finally edited and made clear. Because for how it is written currently, it could well be interpreted that way, and this is the sole reason that prevents me from starting my own casino.
Wow, looks like WW3 in here. Anyway, +1 to this. (I don't see what is wrong with making the rules CLEARER.)
Arguing pointlessly indeed. (and don't bring up the second definition in there, because it's clearly for another context.) Any lottery or raffle with a buy-in. How difficult to understand can this be? You have to be a freaking imbecile to confuse "lottery or raffle" with roulette, slots, fixed-chance games, etc.
A buy-in in my mind is a pre-determined amount that you must pay to join a collective game. I.e. $500 to buy a ticket/chance (whichever you prefer) to win a prize. Betting in a casino is not the same - there is no pre-determined amount, you can choose your bet. There is not multiple people - it is 1v1 with the person running the casino game. In terms of why the staff ban the former, if you have 10 people each buying 1 ticket, it would be very easy for the person running the lottery to cheat etc. The method for establishing the winner isn't public to allow the participant to collect evidence etc. In my eyes, these are different things.
I have played a casino game with a set amount of money you must pay (found in @obblebobble 's casino.), I thought this was legal, are you trying to say this is not?
So, if I were to implement a transparent in-game mechanism that shows publicly how the winner is established, then it would be allowed? (see this post)
I'd still say that it wouldn't be allowed as there is a buy-in and it is still a lottery. My point in my post above was just why the rules are as they currently are, as opposed to a factor which would make something rule-compliant. The rules blanket ban lotteries due to the huge effort it would require from staff to police them. Allowing player run lotteries may also reduce the popularity of the server lotto, which is vital for keeping the economy stable. I wasn't trying to say anything of the sort lol. You've ignored kuke's point above - ultimately, that is still not a lottery, and so it isn't against the rules.
So, if it is 1v1 it is legal, if it is 1vx where x>1, it is illegal. Is this what you are trying to say?
