Now, why I say these types of threads are not good for ECC. Making these types of thread like the Griefer thread or a Scammer thread can cause several problems.

They can become flame threads. Ie: Everyone grab a pitchfork and yelling kill the scammer! Rawr!

Also, they can falsely accuse players. In my opinion, the only thing you should be basing your opinion on whether a player is/isn't a scammer on, is what you find in the complaint section. You can do this so easily.

Go to complaints. Then go to the top right and click on the search bar. Type in the player name. If you are truly worried about someone, this should not be a problem to wade through the complaints they have written versus the ones written against them to figure out what they have done on ECC.

Revanrose6

 

1. Yes I do see how they can be outcast and hated by everyone, but it is there fault for scamming and they should know the consequences.
2. If they only have scammed once then do not label them as a scammer, but if they scam more than once after they have got there second chance that shows that they clearly do not deserve a second chance and people should be made aware to avoid these players.
3. I do see a problem with this, yes the scammer will get treat badly but us player know the rules, we know not to swear and such in global, we just need staff to enforce this more.
4. Well if the scammer leaves after multiple chances then that is good, I've seen quite a few people leave ECC due to being scammed by a scammer, this I find rather sad. I have also seen many members turn themselves around and for that I am happy with them but I have also seen some users not turn themselves around which is sad.

 

Wish I could have used the "funny" rating.

 

Scammers are people too. Just because it's the internet doesn't mean you can harass people to the point of leaving the server. What happened to common decency?

Also, dork1877; how would a system where the onus is not on the victim work. Please enlighten me, as frankly all I can see are systems that allow for rampant slander or require more time and effort by staff members than it's worth.

 

Even I am concerned for the wellbeing of scammers. In the legal system there are rights for the criminals. ie: Right to an attorney, right to a fair trial etc etc. Criminals have rights in RL and on ECC, imo. They shouldn't be treated horribly or we are no better then the scammers.

Revan

 

Labeling scammers would get blown out of proportions and people who have scammed maybe less than two times will get unjustly ostracized from the community. Like Revan has said below, past criminal actions are left in the complaint section to be considered essence of the user's past. Also, I take a moral stance against any sort of program intended to defame the character of another person.

 

There is tons of transparency. All you have to do is use the search bar. Appeals are done on the complaints forum, complaints are filed in the complaints forum. Everything you need to know about a players criminal records is located there.

Revanrose6

 

Its not a zero excuses, it is simply a fact that shouting in game from the mountain tops that so and so scammed is not, in my opinion, productive. It disrupts the in game experience. It causes players to start flame wars. It causes fights. It does nothing good. The forum is a silent way to do your research on a player.

That doesn't mean scams won't happen, it simply means we, the staff, have provided the tools to avoid regular scammers. We have provided the abilities, you just need to utilize them. Yet, I recognize that some of the younger players and the new players don't think to do the cautious things required. I mean, I have made multiple tutorial threads:

http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/safe-loan-lending.55708/
http://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/a-guide-to-safely-handling-a-melon-sword.52505/

These are suppose to help aid a player in their every day deals. Yet, I feel nobody uses them... We try and arm the players against scams... we really do...

 

I've done some reading back over this thread. I'm afraid I'm hesitant to keep debating, because this thread is turning into a scammer hating thread, and no one seems to keep the word "mercy" in mind.

 

Then you yourself shouldn't have mercy, because your lack of mercy to other people.

 

Okay, thats gone to far. A scam is a scam. Scams can be easily prevented by searching up on the forums about a complaint or looking in the feedback area of the forums.

 

Then you do not understand the point of being merciful, as you either are or you aren't; selectively being merciful both ruins the point of mercy and exemplifies your vindictive qualities (which juxtaposes mercy unsurprisingly.) This thought process is why a vigilantism is illegal, as your concept of mercy is more akin to "an eye for an eye."

In any case, this thread has too much of a "witch-hunt" feel for me now. Bye.