Denied [Suggestion] STAFF enforcement

Staff should be able to justify their choices on request.

+1

 

Did you ask them to PM you the reason? If/when you messaged them, did they respond with a more detailed answer?

 

I must say, @Drewbo_ , that there are many reasons why you are dissatifsfied that are not the staff's fault.
Firstly, the moderator that told you to change the topic is a new moderator on the ECC staff team. It was obvious they weren't completely comfortable with reprimanding you, since you used to be a moderator yourself. Granted, I'm also guessing that they don't know the completely correct way to ask to change the topic.
Second, not only staff asked for a conversation change, but many players as well. It was very uncomfortable, and some players were trying to change the topic.
Third off, you asked mods if it was ok for you to say that you murdered a dog on global. I think they said no, or told you no. I was afk at the time when you got responded to.
Yes, maybe staff should be more specific, but the moderator that told you to change the subject was new. If they were admin/super mods, then maybe you should have made this thread for that. Best of luck anyway to you.

 

+1

Not to diss on staff, but that is something that they kinda lack in. If there is something that someone is offended about, I would like to know so I won't say something of a similar manor that I thought was fine, not get a warning because I didn't know what I did was bad

 

Im not going to give a +1 or -1, we all good

 

Sure, and they gave you a pretty damn valid reason for why the topic isn't allowed - It's inappropriate and makes users feel uncomfortable! What other reason could be better than that?

Let's play a little thought experiment here: Say you ask me (or any other mod) whether or not you can link pornography, which prompts me to reply to you "No, that's inappropriate." and you ask "How?" - How do I respond to that? There isn't a rational reason for why pornography is considered inappropriate or makes others feel uncomfortable - it just is/does! The fact of the matter is, every society has certain norms/expectations for behavior, many of them irrational. There isn't any "reason" why many things are inappropriate - they just are!

You might then counter, "well, screw the norms! They aren't here for a valid reason, so why should we respect them?" - To which I'd respond that firstly, ECC isn't a vehicle for social change; we're a minecraft server. And besides, unless you and your friends carry out a social/cultural revolution that radically changes societies norms/expectations and attitudes overnight, those players who get uncomfortable will simply quit, thus diminishing our playercount - And, you know, I along with many other players enjoy playing/chatting with quite a few people.

So really, inappropriate is a valid reason, and there certainly doesn't need to be any logic behind why things are considered inappropriate or make people uncomfortable; they just do! And besides, I really don't see much purpose in your suggestion - what would changing the rules accomplish? If you feel like a staff member has shot down a topic that really is not at all inappropriate, you can just file a staff feedback and make your case there. That's the way things work, and that's the way things probably will always work.

 

You literally quoted the rule broken yourself when posting this suggestion.

Did you read my post? I told you exactly why providing reasoning on why is futile. Not only that, but if you have serious contest about what's inappropriate or not, then you can file a staff feedback, like I emphasized in my post. (I do find it ironic that you literally didn't bother to respond to the part where I told you how to solve the problem at hand by filing a staff feedback.)

You file a suggestion to improve the server... then simply dismiss my point about the community and player count irrelevant...?

 

Not sure why this is so difficult to understand. Simply put, when requested to change the subject... do so. When requested to ask why, take it to the pm that is offered.
A question? How many times does someone need to be asked to either change the subject, or discuss in party or local chat, or take it to a pm before it considered inappropriate?

 

Hey Drew, thanks for the suggestion.

Firstly, if you are not content with how you were treated by a staff member, you should file a staff complaint instead of bringing the issue to the public forum. That can be found here.

Secondly, I'd like to address the incident in-game. I'd like to apologize with how these events unfolded- asking for how a sentence is inappropriate is a rational question, and perhaps could have been dealt with by providing a straight up-front answer in chat instead of letting the situation resort to this thread.

However, even if this question is rational, this does not give you the right to keep on pestering a staff member after you were told to stop. As a

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you of all people should be well aware of the rules and the rights entitled to staff members when policing the chat; one of which being that if a staff member requests you to change the topic, you had better change the topic. They do not have to give you a reason for deeming a certain topic inappropriate.

I'd like to have a 1 on 1 about this if possible- you seem to be very passionate about this change, claiming there had been many cases before- and yet, you only bring this up when you're directly involved. If anything, if you were really discontent with these policies, you should have brought this up when you were a Moderator, with just about every executive staff member just a few clicks and key strokes away.

Your behavior against a new moderator was unacceptable.

And finally to bring closure to this:

Code:

[16:01:08] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [G] [$EcoLeader$][Olympics][VIP+] **Drewbo: can i say 'i am going to slaughter my dog' in global

Code:

[16:01:57] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [G] [$EcoLeader$][Olympics][VIP+] **Drewbo: can i ask why

Animal abuse is an unacceptable topic in global chat. End of story.

 

If you didn't understand my posts, why did you debate it in the first place?

Not only that, but my post is relatively clear and straightfoward. What parts did you not understand?

 

But I gave you what you wanted, though: a detailed answer.

And really, it isn't our fault if you can't understand the answer when considering the fact that you've made no attempts to clarify my objections for the sake of protecting your suggestion/ideas and rather dismissed it simply because you "don't understand" - which doesn't do any good for the standing of your suggestion and perhaps even diminishes it, due to your inability to defend the suggestion from public scrutiny, because, well, its hard to defend bad ideas.

 

is this dude actually complaining about getting a verbal warning instead of a straight up /warn? also, I do think moderators need to explain themselves, which the moderator obviously did by saying it's inappropriate.

here:

in·ap·pro·pri·ate
ˌinəˈprōprēət/
adjective

1. not suitable or proper in the circumstances.
   "there are penalties for inappropriate behavior"

you want a more detailed explanation? your discussion wasn't suitable for the circumstances, and the circumstances being on a family-friendly minecraft server. you're an ex-mod. i'm astounded you need more explanation than this. the moderator taught you that what you were talking about wasn't suitable for ecc, so they obviously did teach you something. and i'm sure you'll do your best to avoid such a discussion again.

 

ix nay on the lame fay
in other words, edited because my reply was a little too savage and I didn't want to start something

 

I really dont understand why this is a big deal. I hate to say it, but this is really tarnishing my view of ECC as a whole.
It was obvious we all wanted a subject change. But no moderators were taking care of it. And the moderator who did ask for a subject change was new, and quickly shot down due to their newness as ECC staff. Im pretty sure other ECC staff, other than the new moderators, were on at the time. Maybe I didnt see it, but I would have really appreciated it if a higher up staff would've stopped the conversation. This has happened many times, and then lead to fighting about mini-modding. I dont want to mini mod, but I really dont want to talk about those kind of topics.
Next off, a former senior staff member files this complaint. I feel like this may be a bit hypocritical, because there has been times ex-staff has been vague about things as well. So Im not understanding why they are now talking about it. I mean, ex-staff should understand whats going on, right? Right?
Maybe ECC had a bad day, but I have to admit, having 10 people scream NEW TOPIC in chat (including myself) to be ignored makes me a bit salty. The people who were asking for new topics weren't as well known players, no offense to them. I feel we were shot down due to us not being so well known. All it took was another patron ECC member to ask a simple question for the whole topic to be reborn and talked about, and asked to stop even more.
Maybe no staff was on. Maybe staff tried its hardest. But I dont think that the ECC community sees the hardwork staff has to do, or even realizes that staff does hardwork at all. Im not trying to be mean, but you all should just try to improve and not shoot each other down. And I dont want to mini mod, but there are times that there is really no one on the server who seems rational enough to try and stop things.
ECC staff is truley amazing. I just think the player base has trouble seeing that. And I'm afraid I sometimes can't see it either.
Best of luck to you all.