In Game Name: kimi2QTWhat part of EcoCityCraft is this suggestion for: All Main ServersShort title for your suggestion: Magic pick - QuartzWhat are you suggesting: I'm suggesting that the Magic pickaxe also "fortune smelt" quartz oreWhy is this a good addition for EcoCityCraft?: I think of all the ores, only quartz and emeralds are entirely player economy controlled. However quartz has consistently remained in demand for over a year. In part because it's one of the few white block with multiple variations in stairs, slabs, and chiseled blocks. It's a wonderful block for aspiring and experienced builders to enrich the ecc landscape. The current price per block varies from $14 up to $42, there is currently little supply and plenty of demands that as stated before has been consistent over long periods of time, multiple players have encouraged new players to farm quartz as a fast way to riches, however players either give up to quit and the demand remains with little to no supply I believe the magic pick users could fill the existing gap in supply and potentially stabilize prices. there is an unlikely possibility of crashing prices down. in this case the block would be available for not only more established players but also new one that bring their experience with them to ecc. TLDR: The entire server network always needs quartz, worst case we crash prices but the demand will never die.Other information: Plugin or custom addition: some changes to existing pluginsOne suggestion per form: I Understand.
+1 I have always struggled in finding people who sell quartz and stock the quartz chests frequently. Most of the time once a shop is out of stock you have to wait months until it is stocked again. This would definitely make it so that there is more quartz in circulation and therefore less of a hassle trying to find quartz sellers.
+1 from my knowledge of this tool, it only seems to work for iron, gold, and emerald which seems to make it a tool that is effective for a niche group of materials that's value is varied. If concentrating on specific usage for this tool, Id like to see it have some further use for the nether as suggested with quartz, putting this tool at the forefront of becoming something vital for the upcoming nether update.
-1 I dislike the thought that the only solution to a perceived problem in supply and demand is to artificially inflate the supply, particularly when a) The change confers direct benefit on only two people, and b) There is no shortage of quartz in the nether at the moment. Maybe I could understand if the nether was consistently mined out every month, but right now it’s just a matter of people being unwilling to pay the 40-60/block that would attract a greater supply by making quartz farming more profitable then crop farming. If change must be had, make it more equitable change, such as by making nether quartz ore drop full blocks when mined, increasing the size of the nether, increasing quartz spawn rates, or even setting a better server backed rate in the block shop. I also think that it is an unavoidable inference the kimi2QT’s main motivation with this suggestion is to i crease the value of a tool that they hold semi-exclusive control over. Halosoda attempted to justify the suggestion by saying that the current three ores that are fortuned by the pick are niche and have little value. This is simply false, iron and gold both have values backed at between 131% and 170% of their sell hand price, with a player market perhaps only slightly above that, as for emeralds, their intrinsic rarity, beauty(?) and necessity for a prestige basically ensure they will have substantial continuing value. Even if the above were conceded, the solution of allowing 6x drops on another player dominated market is a non sequitur. Further, since it is impossible to mine quartz and the other three ores at the same time, the buff wouldn’t even improve the hourly mining rates of the pick, it would just make it more profitable to rent out. Lastly, they claim that making the requested change will put the magic pick at the forefront of a 1.16 update. This argument fails for several reasons. Firstly, it is unduly speculative, as 1.16.3 has not been confirmed to fix the major bugs still in 1.16.2, and there is no release date on ECC. Secondly, the idea of making a tool that took either 10000 USD or extreme luck to obtain at the center of a major update is profoundly unfair to people who don’t have thousands of USD or millions of ECD to gamble away.
I couldn't have said this better myself. There are three nethers! There's never a shortage of quartz in these nethers, given that quartz ore spawns at roughly the same frequency as iron. The market sees low supply because generally people just don't think it's worth it to go and mine it. Really what quartz suffers from is a demand problem, not a supply problem. People don't want to pay enough for it that most people want to go and mine it in the first place.
-1 i agree with oconner the magic pickaxe is OP as it is.. adding more things to deflate a market doesn't seem beneficial. When i wanted quarts for my build... i raised price to 1200 a stack, and got 3 dchests of quarts, or people to get me quarts... thats kinda what the economy is supposed to be like.. if u want something and dont want to find it yourself.. you have to pay more than its worth. getting a tool to make it easier doesnt really scream hardcore economy to me.
People are willing to pay to acquire more. However there is a problem with this unwillingness to mine. I have encouraged builders, debt payers, and about anyone that will hear me that quartz in its current low sale supply would draw plenty of profit. I'm curious how you come to conclusion that 40-60 per is a balance between demand and supply while making profit. I would expect a hypothetical to be much higher. This is true that some would assume I'm in this for profit. Full disclosure I'm not intending to rent at this time. I've shot down some great offers to buy or rent. I intend to run more tests to ascertain the profit potential this tool has. It's my feeling that we don't need 3 of these picks running 24/7 filling geo, glotai and clars chests. But moderate use will not break the scales so to speak. My goal with this is to not have one person supplying the economy but enabling and facilitating the production of more material. Likely I would give away most of my own supply which I've done with my current purchased quartz. The question of my motivation and character was a good point to bring up and have addressed. However I cannot speak for the other owner of the magic pick at this time. HOLD UP are we still talking about my proposal here? Please quote me where I say anything about 1.16. I didn't, I have low expectation of Mojang at this time regarding a stable update.
-1 I think the quartz problem you are mentioning would be solved by realizing the true value of quartz, not by making it more available. Quartz is currently INCREDIBLY undervalued. It has been sold pretty steadily at 800 per block stack which is absolutely not worth someone’s time to sell and definitely worth the ecd to buy. Quartz should be sold at about four times that rate, then we would see people mining it more often and shops selling out of it less frequently.
So because you think the market is broken you'd like the exclusive ability to bypass it? How though? You say below: So if this quartz doesn't even enter the market I don't see how this benefits anyone but you and your friends. -1 if you want more quartz on the market just pay more money for it
-1, quartz farming used to be my main way of making money. I use to go farming for hours in the nether and sold to a shop owner (privately, not through his actual shop) for 20$ per block. As far as the demand goes, getting builders to farm it isnt the way to go. Nether has an entrance fee and features are the way to make the nether safe. You need to entice the older ecc players into farming quartz. If people make forum ads looking for quartz and listing the buy price per block it might attract more quartz miners. All in all I'd rather the server not butt into this market. Its remained a decent market for years. I was farming quartz for awhile a month or two ago for my own build otherwise I wouldve been selling.
100% agree with this. -1 to the suggestion. Sellers need to raise their prices to attract more interest.
