Additional Rule for End/PvP World

+1, way too many complications. This'd make everything much simpler and less confusing for both staff and players.

 

Don't mention me here I'm a good person

 

Your the reason I got that stupid AF complaint on me.

 

I'm so proud

 

"dont mention me here im a good person"

 

+1 I am starting to see more and more complaints on this, so adding it to the rules would solve all the confusion.

 

+1 I absolutely agree. This is definitely something that needs to be cleared up, so we can prevent further issues.

 

Pushing players into PvP isn't illegal at all, last I checked. Unless that's changed since I was staff, without being reflected in the rules.

I'm not a fan of "rules" just to make things legal, this just makes the rules more needlessly complicated.

 

+1. There seems to be lots of confusion whether this is legal or not.

 

+1 Clear up the confusion. Time and time again this comes up.

 

Since when?
How do you prove this?
Why was this change in the rules not documented anywhere?

 

Taken from the rules as it stands:

Spoiler

(Not sure if it was this way when you were staff), staff handles the situation as follows:
1. If you enter the Nether, the End, or any Legacy/Rising PvP arenas and go afk in there, it is LEGAL for someone to come along and push you to a spot where they can then kill you.
2. If you go afk in a town, at Legacy/Rising spawn, etc... it is ILLEGAL for someone to push you through the PvP portals and/or push you to a spot where they can then kill you.

The difference is that in #1 you willingly walked into a PvP world/area, thus accepting the risk of being killed. However #2, you did not, therefore have no way of accepting the risk. The rules do currently state this in their wording "When you enter a PvP zone". If you're pushed, it's not you entering it, it's someone forcing you in against your will.

Anyways, +1 to this. Though the rule is there, it is a bit unclear as to which situation is allowed and disallowed. People don't know that if you AFK at the end's spawn that a player can push you to a spot that you can be killed and kill you with no punishment. However others think it's ok to push an AFK player at Rising spawn through the end portal, then to a spot where they can kill them. I think if the rules were more clear, we wouldn't have misunderstanding and upset players over at least this issue.

 

The thing is, when minecraft first had player pushing on ecc, this wasn't a rule and it shouldn't be. It's very very hard to moderate it honestly. It really creates a bigger fuss if it's not allowed. Simply don't afk.... this was already a thing on ECC and it worked perfectly fine before, dont want to die? dont afk. It shouldn't be illegal because mojang decided to add in player pushing. It's really uneeded work for the staff.

 

+1, this rule as a whole needs an edit. Since 1.9 entity collision was re-added. This rule does not cover this update since it was fairly recent and before you were not able to push players. In essence unless you are like me where I am always recording since plays.tv auto runs, You are either baiting people to push you or b honestly afk-ing and therefore should not have evidence for it unless they are like me.

 

Honestly, the fuss that is being made isn't over the fact that it's not allowed, but the fact that it is allowed if you AFK in the nether/end. I can agree with you though, people should simply not AFK (specially in an unsafe place), but people 'think' they are safe and when they find out they were killed and it's legal, then that's when all the fuss happens. A small addition to the rules would solve this. Or, like you said NDM, just allow it period. I'm for either way, whatever clears up the confusion. Since this suggestion is about adding more to the already existing rule for more clarity, I'm for it.

 

Why is this staff's fault? or why should it be? The players should read the rules and the information about all worlds and ranks espically when applying for them like they agree to. This has happened before and there was no rule to safeguard players from mojangs update. It's literally more work on staff for a stupid reason. Don't afk any where, espcially not in a PvP zone. If you afk and get pushed into a PvP zone it hsould be legal to kill you yes. Imagine players trying to prove someone killed them when they were afk... so much work for staff for no reason at all. Not worth it now, wasn't worth it before.

 

...nowhere does that mention that it's illegal to push somebody into a PvP zone, though.

What? That doesn't say you can't push people into the End/Nether/Etc...

It's not unclear though - it doesn't state that one is allowed and one isn't because that simply isn't the case! They're both allowed!

That's exactly the fuss I'm making, though, because nowhere in the rules is this forbidden.

Even if this, hypothetically, were a rule, it would be such a terrible rule! There would be no practical way to enforce it!
Nothing tracks player movement like that, so you're out of luck on that front.
Somebody lays themselves as bait? Wait a minute, if that's the case aren't they knowingly allowing themselves to be pushed into the end? Then no rules have been broken?
So that leaves what, staff seeing people getting pushed into places? Then you still have people getting upset because staff can help player A with this but not player B, so you've accomplished nothing!