Is it possible to add a "display" lock type to dispensers? Kinda like a donation chest, but without being able to interact with it? I think it would be useful because it would allow casinos to let users look into the dispenser before playing, because I see a lot of users complain that a casino is "rigged" when it really isn't. This would allow for casinos to be transparent, because users can see the items inside the dispenser before playing. It wo "Zev, there is probably a way to steal stuff from display dispensers, because donation locks were similar and people exploited it." First of all, this lock would be for dispensers in casinos. There's literally no point in stealing wool (which is what most dispensers at casinos use) for the risk of getting banned. The player can simply investigate the dispenser/hire an investigator if they notice something missing, and file a user complaint showing that the user took stuff out of the dispenser. If an exploit is found, I'm sure it can be patched within a few hours. "What's the point in having them if it requires a lot of extra coding and may cause trouble?" I don't think it would require a ton of coding. The plugin already exists, it just needs to be added. It would solve a lot of problems because casinos could be transparent and you can see into the dispenser before playing. Then people couldn't complain about casinos being "rigged". If there's a lock that only allows users to view the contents inside a dispenser, I'm sure it'll be near impossible to find a way to steal from it. Even if someone finds a way, they would get banned because staff can see the activity on the dispenser. There would be no motive to even steal from them in the first place, since they don't contain valuable items. I don't see any reason this should not be added, besides the fact that it could possibly be exploited.
+100, definitely. Even if coding was an issue, we could just allow donation locks again. I never thought it was a good idea to just remove them in the first place: better would have been to add a disclaimer like "WARNING: donation chests are not safe! Use them at your own risk." whenever one creates a donation lock. If you're afraid that people might use them thoughtlessly, then add a disclaimer for their benefit, but removing the ability in full for everyone is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Agreed. If donation locks were to be added back, it would be useful to have a disclaimer like this: Donation chests were such a great addition, I don't see why they should be entirely removed. Stealing from donation chests should be made illegal in the rules, so that no one would attempt to do it.
In my understanding, it was illegal, however they feared people would have kept exploiting the bug regardless and they chose to settle things once and for all removing it completely.
Which is why making it illegal would have been a better decision than removing it entirely. Stealing from a donation chest using an exploit is, in my opinion, a serious offence. Taking advantage of server exploits is bannable, so I don't know why it was made legal in the first place.
Whoops, misread it. If they fear the bug will be exploited regardlessly, then they should make the punishment more harsh and show people what happens if you exploit the server that way. Or... they could just patch it by getting an updated plugin.
Too much work, and I understand they might have more serious stuff to handle. But if people using them are made aware of the exploit and refrain from putting valuables inside, I see no reason to remove it entirely: people would still be able to use it with lesser items (such as wool in casinos, but it's just one out of many possible uses for a donation lock)
And nobody's gonna store their star tools in a donation chest. If someone were to steal items, they wouldn't be valuable enough to matter anyway. And, if someone keeps stealing wool from a casino dispenser, you could just hire an investigator and file a user complaint on the person.
then at that point you may as well just leave the chest unlocked! Sure, you can argue that people might not know how to steal stuff, but I don't see how you would prevent this from occuring: P1: "Hey, what's it mean that 'donation locks are unsafe'"? P2: "It means that you can steal stuff from them" P1: "Oh, how do you do that?" P2: "Simple, just [insert exploit method here]" (and even if you make it illegal to discuss it, that will still happen. PMs and skype are a thing)
Client logs, 26th of October, 2016: Code: [21:47:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [G] [President][VIP] swilling236: hey jamie i know theres a ton of issues with donation chests, and i know you get this alot [21:47:53] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [G] [President][VIP] swilling236: but is there any chance they'll be back [21:48:00] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [G] [Developer][ServerAdmin][*VIP*] JamieSinn: not a chance in hell Also, see Nicit's post.
Not everyone on ECC is just planning to steal and exploit. Like it is said above, stealing will be banned for, making wool not worth it. Open chest stealing, however is legal. I really doubt everyone would just go ahead and exploit this. Sure, maybe a few asshats, but they're gonna get banned. +1 to suggestion.
You can still see who took stuff using investigator, and file a complaint. Just because players can steal from them using an exploit doesn't mean the feature should be entirely removed. If players are aware of the consequences, and how easy it is to see who interacted with the chest/dispenser, it wouldn't even be worth it to steal the items inside.
When a feature with the sole purpose of locking things can't fulfill it's sole purpose, it should either be fixed or removed. Seeing as 'fixed' isn't an option it should be removed. You can't just ban people for abusing it, because at that point, it's entirely justified honestly. It's an exploit if it's unintended, but when problematic features are added back with administration fully knowing -- any bugs are essentially a known feature! seriously though you guys are essentially advocating for the exact same thing as "if you place a sign on an item that says 'this is locked', it is illegal to steal from" - it's beyond ridiculous.
Why not take the time to fix it then? I've seen other servers with donation chests that aren't exploitable.
I'm just ruling that out because if it was as simple as "taking the time to fix it" I don't see why it wouldn't have been done ages ago.
