Thread Title: Basically, this suggestion is about the possible usage of 3 trade ads instead of 2. Minecraft Name: Trey_B Suggestion: Increasing the limit of 2 trade ads per 3 minutes to 3. Reason: I feel as though 2 trade ads are just simply not enough. It worked fine for a great amount of time since I have been on ECC. However, users that are so invested in the server have multiple things going for them, and that's a problem I've seen myself and other go through. With 2 trade ads, I can really only advertise my shop with about 3 characters left over. I can advertise giving builders free plots in my town or anything else unless I leave a lot out about my shop, which will lead to people being oblivious to it. I feel like this wouldn't just benefit me but the server in general because all users would have more room to advertise things they are doing or have going on. The users can be more informed about numerous different things instead of the advertiser having to pick the most important, from the least important. I do think that if this is implemented we should increase the wait time to 4 minutes per 3 ads, just for spams sake. Other Information: If anyone has a better way to improve this suggestion or any constructive criticism that pertains to the suggestion please reply below. Link to this plugin/Is this a custom addition?: It wouldn't be a plugin nor custom addition. The rules would just have to be slightly changed.
I disagree with this. when you make it 3 messages you have to remember that EVERYONE that does the trade messages will make it 3 messages. Because they can, and thus they will. (looking at you, macro people) There are a couple of people with macros that issue 2 messages every 3 minutes. Trade chat makes up about ~17% of all chat (ignoring plugin messages and auction chat, since those aren't chat or they're disabled by default. spawn local is included.) Now, I'm not assuming everyone in trade chat uses a macro, but a good 95% of trade messages is, in fact, produced by macros. ( You can tell by the very well timed messages, all spaced 3 minutes from each other (+/- 2 seconds) This means you'll have an 42% increase in trade messages, this will make that ~17% turn into ~24%. This is almost a fourth of all chat. It's a lot. It's a ridiculous amount of trade. As it is now is just fine. (It'll be closer to ~10% and ~14% if you have lottery, SG, etc to fill up chat, but they're not really 'chat') You have a problem with character limits, I have a problem with excessive trade chat. I think you just have to adjust your trade messages instead of adding more. PS: (Don't tell me to disable trade chat, because 1, I'm staff, I need to pay attention to it, and 2, I tend to look at trade chat when I like.. need to trade stuff.)
The spam that comes with this suggestion, even if it is restricted to 8 minutes as @oxwood2 said, is quite excessive. I don't think people should have three ads at once. Instead, they should be able to make three unique ads that aren't grouped together every 4 minutes. I'm not too sure on which is better.
I agree with this but feel asthough maybe there should be a rank aspect to it. So what i mean by this is maybe have it so that mayor or president+ are able to post 3 messages, as in my opinion they are less likely to have spammy messages. Whereas lower ranked/new players are more likely to abuse this and post spammy messages in my opinion.
If you are a macro user you can set it to cycle through what you want to advertise. In this manner maybe your store only gets advertised every 6 minutes, but you can do your other ads on the off cycle. 6 minutes is close enough that you will get seen by everyone. Anyone logging in for 5 minutes or less likely isn't doing a lot of shopping anyway. (edited for spelling)
you could always just give a quick description and put a shortened link in the message example: Giving away free plots to builders! tinyurl.com/(quicklink)
I leave trade chat 90% of the time because of all the macro timed messages. Chat is slow enough at night that, when I do happen to have trade chat active, I can see the same person's messages in my history almost to the exclusion of all else. Perhaps if we are going to allow people to have more ads per time period we increase the time period. Or, better yet, get people to cycle their ads. 1-2 ads every 5 minutes, and all of them different. I used to do that when I had more than 2 things I wanted to advertise. It worked out a lot better since it let me advertise everything, I wasn't spamming people with the same message all the time, and I felt more productive about the whole thing.
I just checked the logs I make using macromod, and 25% (Rounded to 0 decimal places) of my chat yesterday was trade chat, if you added even more of that it would put that number to something like 32% (Given that not everyone would take advantage of it). Don't really need that spam, sorry -1.
Just cycle through them every 3 minutes If you have three trade ads to do. Then one ad gets a 6 minute break, which isn't that much time at all really, being seen 10 times an hour still isn't too bad
Speaking as the person who originally came up with the 2 messages per 3-5 minutes rule, back when macromod in trade chat was enraging people on a regular basis badly enough that we had to come up with such a rule to fix the problem, you're already lucky it's at 2 tbh. It is incredibly spammy to allow even for that much but I also understood that there is a character limit to each message which is why it's 2, for people advertising things that need a little more info to fully convey what you're selling (ie. town plots, farms). I will also note that aside from it just being incredibly annoying to look at in chat, the rule also served to make sure that everyone in trade got their fair share of visibility time. If people have 3 ads at once, that's going to take up even more of chat and knock other ads off the screen that much quicker, which isn't fair for people who aren't using a macro to get their message across and/or who do have shorter trade messages. If you have that much to advertise my advice is to circulate your ads each 3 minute cycle. I've never seen any talks about raising the limit go anywhere, and with a much less active server overall compared to when the rule was first implemented, there's no need for such a change.
After reading the comments I'm going to have to say this. As a non-donator, I am required to look at trade chat. While it's not as noticeable as other chats, it still takes up a lot of chat. Having three messages per 3-4 minutes would just be overkill. As others have said, you can cycle out messages if you have 3+ things to advertise.
-1, people already have an issue with sticking in the 1-2 messages, what makes you think they wouldn't push it to 4 with the new rules? If you need to put out more than 2 messages, have a cycle of doing a couple messages for one round of posting, then next rounding change it up to another ad set, then change it back on the next cycle. Overall, no from me.
Not happening. Would be way too spammy during off-peak hours and not much better on-peak. If you find you have too many things to advertise as stated above rotate ads or condense them.
