Minecraft Name: ARMCgamer Suggestion: The way people request LWC's should be changed. Reason: My brother nirnir32 made over 10 LWC requests. Sick24 had come to do them but immediately after the chests were unlocked and he left an invisible person in /v came and stole all the stuff. I asked mods to help but there was nothing they could do because the chests were unlocked. I find this incredibly unfair and they told me who the person was. I wouldn't be surprised if this has happened to anyone else. I was hoping to use the things found to get myself to resident, I guess that isn't happening soon. Any Other Information: I think either LWC's should be private messaged to the supermods+ on the forum, or a separate section where only mods can see should be made for them. That way people cannot see the cords and camp out there until the checks are unlocked. I really hope this can be achieved by the support you guys give this thread, also comment if this has happened to you too. Link To This Plugin: none, forum issue
I have encountered this problem a long time ago. Locking chests / doors ... which don't belong to you is against the server rules and therefor bannable, however I believe that taking things from an unlocked chest isn't concidered stealing therefor not bannable. You are absolutly right about this and I agree on your issue. The best thing I can come up with is only post a LWC removal request when you will be online for a few more hours so that you can monitor the LWC removal yourself and act right away when they are processed.
When a player requests any lock to be removed, they do not request it for the stuff. They request it so the lock can be removed. In nirnir's situation, he stated that he is clearing the town, not that he wanted to sell the things to buy you resident. The locks are removed, and he can now clear the town. I don't see a problem. I can guarantee you that we will not be doing LWCs from a forum pm or from a private forum section.
So you get LWC removals done on other people's chests and get mad when you can't get their items? Go get the money for resident yourself instead of trying to get LWC money. Also the Moderator's who unlock the chest can take whatever is inside the chest a unlocked chest is fair game. EDIT: Not saying Moderator's do this just pointing out how legal it is.
Staff members are not allowed to take things from the chests they unlock, unless it is in their own town.
Oh geez are you serious! OMG very sorry about that clou, an old friend gave me a tip on it and had never believe it would be illegal! Thank you for the info, I will stop immediately. Wow, again I apologize. I will also edit that post.
Wait, clou? Has this always been a rule? I remember I had done this to maybe 5 chests or so, and an smod came and unlocked them. I never got spoken to? Is this new?
Not really new, a few months old, but some of the newer smods might not know. I'll make sure to remind some of the staff. It is definitely not legal.
Ok, that must be why. Not the staffs fault because I believe the last time I did an LWC was in may or june. I am not completely sure but either way, thank you for the info!
Yeah, I am going to disagree. I understand where you are coming from in trying to prevent issues with keeping people from their stuff. But in my case, I make every effort to get people to claim their stuff first. With that said: If I own the town and I am getting the chests LWC'd, I put a block on top so no one else can open it. I don't see why it is illegal since it is my town and my rules. I'm not keeping anyone from accessing their own stuff since when I file the LWC, they have forfeited the chests at that point. The person doesn't have perms to my town and shouldn't be there without my permission by this point. I have never seen anywhere in the wiki that I can't put a block on my own chest. I understand staff frowning upon it, but I will continue to do it. I see no difference in this and just building around the chests to make the area aesthetically pleasing which I have done for perma-banned original owner locks.
Whether you agree with it or not, it is still illegal and staff members are not supposed to remove locks that cannot be accessed by their original owner. *edit* Talled to Skylexia, she will be putting this specifically into the rules, since it isn't a widely known rule *edit* It is illegal because the player who owns the locks cannot get to it. Up until the locks are removed, they are still owned by the player who locked them, regardless of town rules. If the player were to have gotten on after the lwc was posted, but before an smod has removed the lock, they cannot get to their things. It has happened before (several times actually) that we will be unlocked lwcs and the player gets online while we are doing it. If you wish to prevent stuff from being taken from the chests, don't take down the house until after the lwcs have been done, or, if the chests are not in a building, make a building around them and place a door modified to the owner of the chests. That way if the original owner comes online they can still get to their things and you won't get people who are stealing stuff. Or, if they do steal stuff, you can get them in trouble for grief.
I am willing to see this as being reasonable. Again, I understood where you were coming from, I just disagree. But I do not wish to cause trouble either. If moving those blocks back 5 spaces with a modified door means it is now "legal", I can live with that.
clou44 he wanted to give the stuff to me as a hope so I could also become res, also All I'm hoping for is just a change in the way lwc's are requested, so other players cannot see them and just take the stuff immediately.
Unfortunately, there is no logical way to hide co-ords in an LWC request. That would require PMs for LWC requests, which goes against the server's "motto" (?) to keep applications/requests/etc "available/as history." As well, PMs would be a giant hassle for the Staff, and promotes more harassment (yes, they sometimes get harassed - to an extent - about doing LWCs, even if they were recently done). "Private" forum areas might not even be possible on our forum, as well as goes against the "available/as history" thing with applications/requests/etc.
I understand the frustration of the OP, and have had a chat or two in chat regarding the flaw in publicly announcing that there are free unlocked chests at certain coordinates. While not an option now, maybe it might be possible in the future for staff to be able to lock a chest to the person filling out the LWC instead of leaving the chest completely unlocked. I can picture a "two-pass" system that would curently work, but would double the work effort of the staff, and I honestly don't want that. It just seems like the current way is so open to exploitation. Just tossing out thoughts as I understand this is not the fault of anyone in particular and maybe through discussion we can come together to find a better way. And then I'll play devil's advocate with myself, since as I type this I realize that things aren't as bad as I think they are. Like trade signs, it might be determined that since the person filling out the LWC doesn't own the chest, that the chest will be just destroyed with everything in it. No one gets the items. I personally don't like this, but I can see the arguement for it. I prefer the whole "door" solution suggested by clou44 above. I'll just start using that and hope others do as well.
