Denied [Suggestion] "Silk Touch" enchantment on Sword

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  1. rNin

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    Suggestion:
    "Silk Touch" enchantment on Sword

    Reason:
    Since there is a proper efficient tool for farming melons but that is for only the rich of the riches who owns a Melon Sword, why not make a alternative cheaper tool to farm melons? Of course, with the cost of lower efficiency in general.
    Anyone hardly farm melons without Melon Sword, just a Silk Touch enchantment would do, this Sword with Silk Touch would offer high income per crop but slow harvest speed while comparing to the known Pumpkin Axe, which offers high harvest speed but low income per crop or comparing to the Melon Sword, both high income per crop and high harvest speed.

    - This farming method does not require good internet since you only have to slowly break blocks so chance of encountering a ghost block is practically reduced to zero percent.
    - This farming method does not need much of investment, all you need is a silk diamond sword (Unbreaking III enchant is optional) and a decent farm.
    - This farming method provides a surely ~$4500 a hour or ~75$ a minute, without any factor aside from breaking melons without pausing in a straight line.

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    Whoa whoa, before you think this may cause devaluing to the valuable Melon Sword because we can enchant and make a DIY Melon Sword, keep in mind that this suggestion is not both Efficiency V and Silk Touch for Sword but only Silk Touch for Sword.

    No "Efficiency V and Silk Touch" on swords, just only "Silk Touch".

    I hope I didn't forget something to write here or make some grammar mistakes.

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    Not happening. It's a expensive tool for a reason. There are plenty of ways for new players to make money
     
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    -1 the whole reason a melon sword is useful is because it has silk touch.
     
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    Melon Sword is very valuable because of the extreme efficient combo, Silk Touch and Efficiency 5. It is also valuable because of it's price, 2000 netherstars, I guess.

    But having just one of these enchantment doesn't make that valuable or efficient, with Efficiency 5, you would need to craft tons of melon slices to melon block which is effort-intensive or Silk Touch, it isn't require much of effort but it requires a hefty time, you can destroy a melon block per second. Meanwhile with Pumpkin Axe, you can already strip over 6 pumpkins and considering the income of selling pumpkins... But well, pumpkin farming also has some few factors, subjective factor is farming techniques and layout or objective factor is the amount of pumpkin grows averagely.

    This suggestion was meant to make melon farming viable at a reasonable point without the need of Melon Sword, while anyone with Melon Sword would be able to farm and earn a relatively high income, considering their investment to Melon Sword. Also this suggestion give another choice of farming block-crops (Melon and Pumpkin).

    If I made a grammar mistake or if I forgot to consider some points and factors then sorry in advance.

    Or maybe change the suggestion to efficiency-only? Since one needs to craft lots of melon slices to melon block anyway.
     
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    Well, so a melon sword can make around 15k/hour from what I've heard, So if you don't have the effiency you'll probably make close to 6k/hour (estimate pls no hate), instead of going through all this trouble I'd suggest buying a pumpkin axe and perms at farmistan, you could make close to 10k/hour their.

    Still a -1 from me but good luck
     
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    -1 auto farmers will conquer the world
     
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    Well, thanks for the good luck but just gonna post a pros and cons.

    Pumpkin Axe
    Pros
    Higher income than silk sword, at least 8k if farming continuously.

    Cons
    Income variates alot, depending on effort spent, rate of pumpkin grown and farming techniques.

    Silk Sword
    Pros

    Stable income, easy job.

    Cons
    Relatively lower income compared to pumpkin farming.


    @matrix_rep
    Uh, shouldn't that apply to fishing and such as well?

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    I do understand that you veterans are concerned for the economy but this shouldn't earn a player over 7k a over, assume that each melon blocks is worth 2$ and there are 3600 seconds in a hour, plus the tiny delay even for the user nearest the server with the best internet.
     
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    Sure it applies to fishing the "auto-fish" but giving every freaking builder alt a silk touch sword will promote having 10 Alts auto farm at once DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?
     
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    Oh well, is there a way to detect player that performs repetitive action under certan criteria? Or it doesn't exist? =/
     
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    I don't really see the point in this. It would make even less than any other method of farming, and it would require custom coding to make enchant signs include swords to the silk touch enchant. (it's a bit tricky and probably requires a bit of the enchant signs to be rewritten)

    I really don't see the point. There aren't any real advantages, and it only costs time and effort to implement.

    I'll ask you the question: Why should there be another way to farm melons?



    EDIT: I have since changed my opinion. +1
     
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    Well, this farming method was meant to be a slow and easy job with a steady income, theorically capped at 7.2k, at least every farming crop should be reasonably viable to every player at some point while melon farming with melon sword would be all over the top of every farming method.
     
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    -1 because ^that

    Farm cocoa. It can make over 20k an hour.
     
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    Melon farming with only Silk Touch would be a easy and low-effort job but with a relatively lower output than other crops.

    At least why not make a melon farming a thing to every users out here for more choice of farming methods? I mean anyone hardly farms those melon without the Melon Sword.
     
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    Punch them. Turn them back into melons. Sell them.
     
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    silk touch shears. you break 1 melon every (roughly) 1.8 seconds. The shears never break, meaning you don't need repair. You don't need anything besides a silk touch shear, and you would be making a good 4k an hour.

    Of course, you could just mine and make more than twice that.
     
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    I do know that many method of earning money may earn more but this method was meant to provide a steady and stable income (6-7k averagely) compared to many ways of earning, which the income rate usually varies.

    Also, I cannot apply Silk Touch on Shears, somehow but still, it would not provide a reasonable income compared to other method of earning money, if it isn't applied on sword.

    That way is not effective any at all.
     
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    Don't worry, estimates are only estimates as long as nobody checks them.
    I was hoping that my experimental data would be of use one day...

    Tested in 1.8, but I don't think break speeds have been changed since.

    Tested for: Tool - Enchantments - Amount of blocks broken in two minutes. Excluding time needed to change rows in a farm.

    Melon sword (Silk touch, efficiency 5):
    298 blocks in 2 minutes.
    298/2 min * 2$ * 60 min = $17,880/hour.

    Diamond sword (No enchants):
    95 blocks in 2 minutes. According to the MC wiki, 3-7 slices drop per block. Using 5 as average.
    95*5/2 min * 60 min = 14,250 Slices/hour, i.e., $1,425/hour. However, if they are crafted into melon blocks (e.g. via /cnd)...
    14,250/9 = 1,583 Blocks + 3 Slices.
    1,583 * $2 + 3 * 0.1$ = $3,166.30/hour.

    Diamond sword (Silk touch):
    Same speed as the unenchanted sword, 95 blocks in 2 minutes.
    95/2 min * 2$ * 60 min = $5,700/hour.

    Diamond pickaxe (Silk touch):
    66 blocks in 2 minutes.
    66/2 min * 2$ * 60 min = $3,960/hour.

    As we can see, a silk touch pickaxe is more effective than a basic diamond sword. A silk touch sword would almost double the profit of a basic sword and raise the profit compared to a pickaxe by about 50%.

    A silk touch diamond sword earns only about one third of a Melon sword.

    @Drewbo_'s guess was pretty close.
     
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    http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Breaking#Speed
    http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Sword#Sword_breaking_times

    With a diamond sword you can break 1 melon every 1.25 seconds (1 second, + .25 delay); 2880 blocks an hour, thus $5760 an hour , with a fist/shears/pick/whatever, you break one every 1.75 seconds; 2057 blocks an hour, thus $4114 an hour. This is pure data. There are no external influences changing this up. This is the maximum you can make with those tools.
     
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    Well, this kind of sums this up, buy a pumpkin axe and get over it
     
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