Denied [Suggestion] Allow Logs to be a form of evidence

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  1. KingCharlie9

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    Suggestion:
    That we allow chat logs to be a form of evidence in the BA/C section, under specific circumstances only.
    We allow chat logs to be a form of evidence if:
    - Server Admins check the server logs at the exact time and see that the logs correspond with the logs provided by users.
    Obviously, we can't make the SA's spend a good 10 minutes searching through logs in every complaint. So, for worse offences, such as hacking or major racial slurs, then chat logs can be a form of evidence. Basically only for the more serious of offences.

    Reason:
    This would majorly help complaints especially, stop lies from being spread, and really enable context in the BA/C section. Another reason is well, uh https://www.ecocitycraft.com/forum/threads/user-complaint-ffa_jdub.173960/
    and many many other complaints which I can't be bothered to look for at the moment. I have been thinking about making this suggestion for a very very long time now, and each time I see a complaint where chat logs could help, it reminds me that I haven't yet made this suggestion. Now I have. The FFA complaint shown above reminded me I haven't made this suggestion. Now I have.

    I seriously think this would help with context, which seems to be a major part of complaints these days. Proof? The FFA complaint above. If the staff could look at the context and see that the claims that FFA started it were true, then maybe the result would have been different. <<JUST AN EXAMPLE.

    But yeah, context could help.

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    Kind of a rule change - allowing chat logs as evidence would have to be edited into the wiki.
    Link to this plugin/Is this a custom addition?:
    Custom addition.
     
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    ...how?

    Not a major offense


    Really the only thing I'd advocate this for is scamming and only in large cases
     
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    It’s too easily edited tbh
     
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    Tbh, normal screenshots can be faked almost as easily as logs. So, +1
     
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    Yeah, thats why the logs have to be checked if they match by SA's before it can be deemed valid.
     
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    irrelevant bc I can fake a minecraft screenshot in literally 30 seconds

    in either case just gotta have someone go "no that didn't happen", someone checks logs, then ban the person whose lying.
     
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    That is what I'm suggesting.
     
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    -1, too much work for admins too regularly dive through logs.
     
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    It wouldn’t be regular, it states in his suggestion that he wants it for major offences only
     
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    And you know that we already do this :p


    So, let me reiterate here. The only major offense we do log dives for are for scamming, or feature abuse.
    Scamming on that scale is extremely rare, and feature abuse even more so.

    I don't see a reason why client logs should be allowed at all.
     
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