I feel like we could use a new spawn, as the current spawn is quite inaccessible for new players and clunky looking. In my opinion the whole design makes for it to be slightly daunting in some aspects and basic in others for newer players, a good example of this to me is in the spawn shop design. It's okay for players who have fly and can quickly access all the floors and not have to walk around every single layer and floor to find the specific block they need like a new player or anyone without fly would. Even as someone who has fly, I still struggle to find what I'm looking for.
I personally think that when someone logs on for the first time obviously the spawn is the first thing you see and especially for new players, you want something that really stands out with a lot of detail that looks amazing, but also is easy to navigate and understand, and I do think that the tutorial is a huge improvement on the old one, as it's got a lot of detail and isn't too complicated at the same time, but other than that, I don't think the spawn as a whole necessarily has that 'wow' factor that it should have.
But overall I think for a spawn it just lacks detail and l don't think that specific design suits as a spawn, and I'd like to hear what other people have to say about this idea too.
(Also I mean no offence to who built it, it's just not really my cup of tea)
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So uh. Build a better one?
There was a contest. This was the winner. Barring the logistics of such a quick change... You need something to replace it with.-
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By no means am I saying the current spawn is bad I just think it could use a little tweaking, even if it's just a new shop design at the least with the rest of the spawn left the same. I of course would be willing to attempt this, but first, as I said, I'd just like to know whether or not any minor or large changes would even be considered. -
@GeorgiaMC we can't even get a real market soo. Probly won't happen even tho I agree with you lol.
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Yep. We need a simpler spawn. Yes, spawns such as the ones we have are intended to amaze new players, but the fact is that new players are prone to quit immediately upon the first instance of frustration or confusion rather than bother with learning the ropes or figuring out where everything is. The problem with this spawn is that it's much too confusing and large, and it is frustrating for people who don't know where everything is let alone the distances required to get to each place for someone without fly.
Yes it's rather new and yes it won a competition, but it won a competition that desired an awe factor in the design much more than it did a usefulness factor. There should be another competition that specifically states that it is intended to be simple (relatively speaking) and effective, not complex and confusing. I think that jmichael should also be given a say in the new spawn simply because of how short his may last, and that his spawn should remain in legacy.
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And yeah, the market needs a revamp too... it's a terrible design and it's essentially dead.-
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Maybe I'm just nostalgic but I'd like to see a small homey spawn instead of another giant one. This thing is way better than the last abomination of a spawn we had (good ridance) but it still makes me feel small. There's no connection. And I can fly. I can't even imagine walking around this thing. I get annoyed it takes me so long to fly through. The ecc spawns before these were much smaller. 20 blocks between portals and you saw people walking around going places. It didn't feel overwhelming and that's one of the main reasons I stayed on ECC as opposed to the other servers I tried when I started playing minecraft.
Edit: basically what Shane said he put it a lot better than I did.-
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I prefer a smaller, more effective spawn myself as well. There can be literally dozens of players in the spawn and yet not see a single one without doing some searching. I believe newer players can be overwhelmed and possibly lose interest at times.
I know that a lot of work and effort was put into this design, but it has proven to not be very effective.
The market shop? Could you even imagine the amount of time that would have to be spent by a player without fly attempting to find an item? I have fly and still get myself lost looking for things... and have no idea if some items are for sale there or not. :confused:-
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Another problem is for some dumb reason they sold parts of spawn for IRL $$$ so now what do we do about that lmaooo
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But in general, I totally see the necessity of a new spawn, no offence to jmichael, but this spawn is ginormous, the spawn shops are too big, even for someone with fly. So like others have said, a small homey spawn is what we need. They say if you don't have a lot of people coming to an event, you put them in a smaller room so it looks like its a bigger party. This is what we need to do at our spawn tbh.-
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I'm all for a different spawn. Think the current one is awful and it's accessibility is equally as bad. The spawn shop is terrible and I definitely preferred the old ones. Even with fly it's a pain to find/get what you need and I can't imagine what it's like without it. Current spawn also looks too plain and not really impressive compared to some of the other submissions. Main problem with changing it would be the fact that people paid irl money and ECD for portions of the spawn so they would somehow need to be compensated.
All in all thought I'd like a better spawn with improved accessibility and a better wow factor and not a 3 day world edit job. Additionally the market could also use a makeover but I understand something with trade signs needs to be done before that can happen. -
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Also, about people paying irl money for parts of spawn, I had no idea this was a thing until reading this, since I haven't played much in the last year. I do think that might be a bit of a problem, however there could be a number of ways that you could sort this out, for example, if a new spawn was to be designed, there could be designated areas or rooms added that would be given to the same people that already own the current ones, and there may even be room for a couple more to be added for others to buy. Or as others have suggested, maybe some sort of compensation in the form of a store voucher, however, I see the first option as being the more popular one.
Lastly, do you think that the spawn shop is in your word's, 'fine'? As a new player or player without fly that would be very overwhelming to look at, and very inaccessible. That's 7 floors, with roughly 50 things per floor, and from what I can see, only 1 floor has signs by the stairs saying what's on that specific one. -
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GeorgiaMC said:
I mean, I do agree with the fact that the plain look of it does make it look world edited, as it's a very repetitive style of building. But whether it is or not, no one can know for sure, all I'm saying is, is that it does look heavily world edited.
Well, a spawn that has many different styles of building can be seen as 'ugly' and unpleasing to the eye. I also view ECC as having a better spawn than most places. Furthermore, I have noticed that every spawn that has ever been placed on ECC is complained about... Yet no-one has ever come up with a reasonable alternative? I agree with Nicit, if you think you could build an original better alternative to the current one, I say go for it! I've seen your building skills and you're pretty decent!
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Also about people paying irl money for parts of spawn, I had no idea this was a thing until reading this, since I haven't played much in the last year. I do think that might be a bit of a problem, however there could be a number of ways that you could sort this out, for example, if a new spawn was to be designed, there could be designated areas or rooms added that would be given to the same people that already own the current ones, and there may even be room for a couple more to be added for others to buy. Or as others have suggested, maybe some sort of compensation in the form of a store voucher, however, I see the first option as being the more popular one.
Yeah, I see option 1 as being the most reasonable and yeah, that's the logical way around it!
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Lastly do you think that the spawn shop is in your word's, 'fine'? As a new player or player without fly that would be very overwhelming to look at, and very inaccessible. That's 7 floors, with roughly 50 things per floor, and from what I can see, only 1 floor has signs by the stairs saying what's on that specific one.
Lastly, no I do not. Although I think spawn is bright, colourful and wonderful, I view the spawn shop as a separate part of spawn that can be changed. Every project has a few flaws and unfortunately, the spawn shop in this case, is one of them. I'm sure if it was all one floor with separate rooms (themed possibly?) or some reasonable alternative would do just nicely.-
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Well, this is an interesting discussion. I've always said that the only way I would ever worry was if I built a spawn that everyone liked.
Some thoughts on the discussion so far:
The more I read on this thread, the more I agree with this general argument. The spawnshop is underground for a reason - because the previous spawn was wretchedly dark all the time, because the shops were up in the sky. Much of what I did was centered around the idea of the ground level being bright, and I sacrificed other things to get all the parts of the spawn out of the sky. I've never been in love with my shop design, though. My original design was exactly what you described in the bold/underlined part, but then I moved the shop to one side to fit the TUTORIAL underground ... and then came up with the current tutorial idea with the bridges later - and frankly, if I hadn't run out of time, I would have deleted the current shop and done exactly what you're suggesting here. You've not only made a good suggestion - it's also in harmony with the rest of the design.
Now, all that being said -- to create a new spawn of equal or better quality will take even the best builder at least a month. That person will discover just how little help Worldedit actually is (except with the color changes -- thank God for color changes). That person will get about a week and a half in and go "what the heck did I sign myself up for?" And by the end, that person will approach the subject of this thread with a great deal more humility than is exhibited in some of the comments on this thread.-
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